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[Zion]

You replied before I edited and finished my point.

I see, but this point is often made and is transparently silly gaslighting because proponents of a social democracy would not go out of their way to defend socialist regimes like Cuba, which BLM and AOC have done. They're clearly not trying to be just like Scandinavia, otherwise they wouldn't bother to defend or support actual socialist regimes.

I don't know how much clearer evidence you need that we have a far-left in this country when BLM openly says "We are trained Marxists", like what's further left than a marxist?

 

[bearmick]

I see, but this point is often made and is transparently silly gaslighting because proponents of a social democracy would not go out of their way to defend socialist regimes like Cuba, which BLM and AOC have done. They're clearly not trying to be just like Scandinavia, otherwise they wouldn't bother to defend or support actual socialist regimes.

I don't know how much clearer evidence you need that we have a far-left in this country when BLM openly says "We are trained Marxists", like what's further left than a marxist?

BLM and Antifa are not political parties.

The farthest left you can get in this country with any meaningful level of national power and influence is a center-right position like Biden or Clinton. Even Bernie Sanders, whose policies land firmly in the mainstream center in most developed social democracies, is too far left to be accepted by the "left" party in America.

We have a far right and a center right. For now at least. Hopefully that will change.

 

[Zion]

BLM and Antifa are not political parties.

The farthest left you can get in this country for any meaningful level of national power and influence is a center-right position like Biden or Clinton. Even Bernie Sanders, whose policies land firmly in the mainstream center in most developed social democracies, is too far left to be accepted by the "left" party in America.

They are far-left activist groups supported by politicians, institutions and private corporations.

Imagine if Republican politicians openly stated they support the Proud Boys, Patriot Prayer and the KKK, if the NFL openly decided to sing the White National Anthem before every football game and public schools decided to teach the Confederate version of history to children. Would you then claim there's no far-right in this country?

 

[bearmick]

They are far-left activist groups supported by politicians, institutions and private corporations.

Imagine if Republican politicians openly stated they support the Proud Boys, Patriot Prayer and the KKK, if the NFL openly decided to sing the White National Anthem before every football game and public schools decided to teach the Confederate version of history to children. Would you then claim there's no far-right in this country?

You're evading the point, which is that there is currently no viable and influential left in the mainstream of US politics. You can keep pretending that advocacy groups like BLM and Antifa are electable political parties, but they are not.

 

[Zion]

You're evading the point, which is that there is currently no viable and influential left in the mainstream of US politics. You can keep pretending that advocacy groups like BLM and Antifa are electable political parties, but they are not.

This is absolutely insane and out of touch, the left is extremely influential in mainstream U.S. politics. You have to look no further than politicians, schools and corporations taking knees and waving BLM flags. It's FAR more socially acceptable to support far-left groups and policies than it is to support far-right groups or policies in this country. There are zero mainstream politicians advocating for policies that focus on the advancement of the white race, but plenty of politicians advocating for the advancement of the black race. Race communists and those that support them are everywhere, they exist on the fringes of the left and in the mainstream of the modern Democrat party. The entire democrat party took a knee and did a photo-op of themselves taking a knee in support of BLM. They're proud of it. Saying the left has no influence on mainstream politics is remarkably out of touch bordering on willful ignorance.

 

[bearmick]

There are zero mainstream politicians advocating for policies that focus on the advancement of the white race, but plenty of politicians advocating for the advancement of the black race. Race communists and those that support them are everywhere, they exist on the fringes of the left and in the mainstream of the modern Democrat party. The entire democrat party took a knee and did a photo-op of themselves taking a knee in support of BLM. They're proud of it. Saying the left has no influence on mainstream politics is remarkably out of touch bordering on willful ignorance.

Imagine viewing taking a knee in protest of police brutality as the equivalent "other side of the coin" as white supremacy. FFS.

I can't even imagine what of fucked up blog or media outlet you found the term "race communists". I don't even want to know.

 

[Enasic]

Left, right, it’s all garbage. Until society does away with these boxed in, divisive “teams” and start thinking independently without associations, we’re all fucked. The world is far too complex to commit to this group think approach and quite frankly, neither “side” is worth any of our commitment and defending of. Generally, politicians and political parties only care about themselves and their own advancement of power and they both do their best to sell the populace that is not the case and with our support, they have our best interest in mind. It’s all one big charade that does nothing but divide society and create tension. It’s amazing people actually buy into the BS year after year

 

[Zion]

Imagine viewing taking a knee in protest of police brutality as the equivalent "other side of the coin" as white supremacy. FFS.

I can't even imagine what of fucked up blog or media outlet you found the term "race communists". I don't even want to know.

You are not being intellectually honest because you know damn well that if any GOP politician came out in support of the Proud Boys or Patriot Prayer, you would immediately label them as far-right supporters/sympathizers. But when politicians come out in support of BLM, a self-avowed Marxist organization, you reach into your bag for excuses, justifications and gaslighting attempts to rationalize how they are not influenced by the far-left.

Race communists is exactly what BLM are, they are Marxists who use race as a cudgel. Historically communists will use class or race to exacerbate societal divisions for the purpose of agitating for their revolution; BLM happens to use race more than class division for this purpose. There is no equivalent group on the far-right who see anywhere near the level of mainstream support.

 

[HeHateMe]

Left, right, it’s all garbage. Until society does away with these boxed in, divisive “teams” and start thinking independently without associations, we’re all fucked. The world is far too complex to commit to this group think approach and quite frankly, neither “side” is worth any of our commitment and defending of. Generally, politicians and political parties only care about themselves and their own advancement of power and they both do their best to sell the populace that is not the case and with our support, they have our best interest in mind. It’s all one big charade that does nothing but divide society and create tension. It’s amazing people actually buy into the BS year after year

I would agree but the climate has gotten far too bizarre the right has gone so bonkers that they hate Liz Cheney. And they believe there's a "far left" with any sort of power. And this whole "marxism" thing is just lulzy af. There's no more "marxism" these days in the US than there was during McCarthyism

 

[Zion]

I would agree but the climate has gotten far too bizarre the right has gone so bonkers that they hate Liz Cheney. And they believe there's a "far left" with any sort of power. And this whole "marxism" thing is just lulzy af. There's no more "marxism" these days in the US than there was during McCarthyism

There's a very good reason to hate Liz Cheney and it's the same reason one would have hate for any Neo Con.

There was a ton of Marxism during McCarthyism, do you realize that the communist plot to overthrow the U.S. government is well-documented and existed in real life? That's what precipitated Mcarthy's crusade in the first place.

Soviet espionage in the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Nathan Gregory Silvermaster - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The problem is that you guys are either 1) getting your news from far-left sources whose agenda involves downplaying things like this or 2) are left-wing sympathizers yourselves with this agenda. I can't think of any other reason for you guys to downplay the long, well-documented history of communist attempts at subversion in the U.S. or to not know about it.

 

[Zion]

Believing that McCarthy was just a crazy person chasing ghosts is further evidence of the influence of the far-left on the public consciousness; people don't even realize that the communist plots were real. they're just taught that McCarthy was an insane person who persecuted innocent people.

 

[HeHateMe]

@bearmick did u get your Soros check this month? Looks like mine has a big fat bonus!

#blessed

 

[Zion]

It's okay to admit if you didn't know something or were wrong about something. There's plenty of evidence available on the internet to dispel this notion that Marxism never existed in the U.S., was never influential in the U.S., or that communist plots and subversion attempts never took place.

 

[HeHateMe]

It's okay to admit if you didn't know something or were wrong about something. There's plenty of evidence available on the internet to dispel this notion that Marxism never existed in the U.S., was never influential in the U.S., or that communist plots and subversion attempts never took place.

Imagine asking someone to admit being wrong about things they never said to win an argument that never took place. And you're an attorney lol.

 

[Zion]

Imagine asking someone to admit being wrong about things they never said to win an argument that never took place. And you're an attorney lol.

I didn't ask you for anything nor did I quote you directly; I just said, generally, to anyone who's reading, it's okay to admit if you're wrong or didn't know something.

I'm an attorney, yes.

and you clearly did say the things you deny saying. We have eyeballs.

I would agree but the climate has gotten far too bizarre the right has gone so bonkers that they hate Liz Cheney. And they believe there's a "far left" with any sort of power. And this whole "marxism" thing is just lulzy af. There's no more "marxism" these days in the US than there was during McCarthyism

 

[HeHateMe]

I didn't ask you for anything nor did I quote you directly; I just said, generally, to anyone who's reading, it's okay to admit if you're wrong or didn't know something.

I'm an attorney, yes.

and you clearly did say the things you deny saying. We have eyeballs.

There are no candidates in office that ran on BLM or Antifa platforms.

I'm sorry but I feel that a lot of your statements are not only hyperbolic, I don't think you are even being intentionally so. Ttyl.

 

[Zion]

There are no candidates in office that ran on BLM or Antifa platforms.

I'm sorry but I feel that a lot of your statements are not only hyperbolic, I don't think you are even being intentionally so. Ttyl.

There are no politicians who supported defunding the police?

I find it hard to believe some of you guys even believe half the things you say

 

[ThatGuyRyan]

FIFY

Not here. 70% vaccinated in a majority Hispanic city/county.

 

[Enasic]

I would agree but the climate has gotten far too bizarre the right has gone so bonkers that they hate Liz Cheney. And they believe there's a "far left" with any sort of power. And this whole "marxism" thing is just lulzy af. There's no more "marxism" these days in the US than there was during McCarthyism

It’s all fabricated, IMO. At the end of the day it’s all garbage and is a toxic divisive tool used to distract the populace. It’s all misdirection