Our third biggest cap hit this year….

[truthbedamned]

The only one of these you can really crucify him for is Mitch Trubisky and some of the boneheaded trade-ups. Everyone can play what-if with the draft, that isn't what undid Pace. Even Mitch didn't undo Pace. The Rams took a shit quarterback the year before first overall (gave up a million picks to get him too) and they just won the Super Bowl despite it.

What undid Pace was hiring Matt Nagy and then the steady unraveling over the last two off-seasons he was at the helm where he seemed to have zero long term plan. Shit like re-signing a clearly cooked Danny Trevathan and letting Allen Robinson II just stew angrily and quit on the team at the onset of the season instead of just trading him when he could have. There were like a dozen moves like that in 2020 and 2021. That and the yearly routine of converting Khalil Mack's salary into bonus to further bury the long-term cap.

Culminated in the atrocious 2021 draft, an exercise in job saving deseperation that should have been stopped while it was happening.

But honestly, Pace is probably still around if he fires Matt Nagy a year earlier. Matt Nagy was the exponential force that let averageness spiral into embarrassing disaster. Its the one thing we should be thankful to Nagy for, I couldn't handle another awful Pace off-season setting the franchise back even more.

Mike Glennon. Nuff said.

Pace paid Glennon 4 million per game.

 

[dabears70]

thanks Dick for making sense again. I missed you.

also seriously people, it's a miracle Poles accomplished what he has already. the books were pretty fucked upon his arrival.

A miracle? Not coming at you in any way but IMO he's done the easy part. Cutting players, letting free agents walk and making the K.Mack trade with the decent return he got in that trade isn't anywhere near the hard part, the hard part comes in 2023 and 2024 IMO.

 

[Montucky]

Mike Glennon. Nuff said.

Pace paid Glennon 4 million per game.

Yeah doesn't make the Bears different from pretty much any other team. Rams took an eight and a half million dollar dead cap hit on Todd Gurley last season and won the Super Bowl. Todd Gurley hadn't played a snap for them since 2019, and he was last good in 2018.

Its a cost of doing business. Some contracts turn out bad. Mike Glennon is not what made Ryan Pace a bad general manager.

 

[Montucky]

didn't I tell you to fuck yourself 2 weeks ago? I have nothing to discuss with you.

You do seem to have some things you might want to discuss with a therapist before you go shooting up a mall. Jesus christ, take a chill pill.

 

[dabears70]

What was so miraculous about it? It's not like it was some stroke of genius that nobody could've concieved to deal away Khalil Mack. Anyone with an internet connection could look on Spotrac and see how much cap space it would save pawning that contract off on a win-now team.

It's not really not that difficult tearing a roster down for draft picks and cap flexibility. Especially if fans, ownership and the media are poised to give you a free pass on having a losing season.

I'm not saying he hasn't done well, I'm just saying this was the easy part. Anyone can let free agents walk, fail to sign any big names and trade away Khalil Mack. If you want to get worse as a team the NFL will gladly oblige you.

Just said this. You know certain people are now gonna think you're my alt or i'm yours right?

 

[dabears70]

I’ll partially agree because yeah the moves were obvious….

Where I’ll disagree is in it’s not easy to do because of the fan base. (Or some of them) Many fans want “win now” solutions. It takes a clear long term vision and some balls to tear it down and stick to the plan. Not racing to quick solutions is the hard part. That’s a big part of what made Pace so awful.

The fan base would of been fine with what Poles has been doing if he did more to help Fields in free agency and the draft.

 

[mecha]

A miracle? Not coming at you in any way but IMO he's done the easy part. Cutting players, letting free agents walk and making the K.Mack trade with the decent return he got in that trade isn't anywhere near the hard part, the hard part comes in 2023 and 2024 IMO.

yes... this just means Pace wasn't able to do the easy part. you solved the mystery. LOL

 

[MikeDitkaPolishSausage]

The fan base would of been fine with what Poles has been doing if he did more to help Fields in free agency and the draft.

Like what BaBa said, Poles is looking at the long term success, not immediate success like Pace did. So his plan wasn’t to go out and spend big money right away during FA. He did bring in help for Fields, but maybe not to your satisfaction. He did draft a Wr and plenty of OL which again can bring help for Fields.

The solution to helping Fields is going to take more than one offseason. It seems like a big focus this first offseason under Poles/Eber was Fields fixing his own flaws. I’m sure we see even more moves made next offseason.

 

[dabears70]

yes... this just means Pace wasn't able to do the easy part. you solved the mystery. LOL

Lets be honest here because Pace also took on a horrible roster and tore it down. Now it's not like the tear down Poles has done but to tell the truth i don't think i've ever seen as drastic of a tear down as Poles did.

 

[mecha]

Lets be honest here because Pace also took on a horrible roster and tore it down. Now it's not like the tear down Poles has done but to tell the truth i don't think i've ever seen as drastic of a tear down as Poles did.

I was a Pace defender until he just kept digging deeper holes throwing shit at the wall and trying to make something stick. him and Nagy in their respective roles was a vicious cycle. if they could only fire one I would've chose Nagy over Pace, but ditching both I'm hoping will pay dividends eventually.

 

[dabears70]

Like what BaBa said, Poles is looking at the long term success, not immediate success like Pace did. So his plan wasn’t to go out and spend big money right away during FA. He did bring in help for Fields, but maybe not to your satisfaction. He did draft a Wr and plenty of OL which again can bring help for Fields.

The solution to helping Fields is going to take more than one offseason. It seems like a big focus this first offseason under Poles/Eber was Fields fixing his own flaws. I’m sure we see even more moves made next offseason.

I agree and never said anything about the job he's done besides that it's underwhelming which i still agree with. He brought in help but the help he brought in are more taking shots and guys that have done some good things in their careers up until the last week that he signed two vets in Schofield and Reiff.

L.Patrick is a shot with the minimal amount of time he's started in the NFL even though he looked decent in those times. I like him but we don't know what he'll be as a full time starter.

Pringle has been a #4-#5 WR for the Chiefs but looked good last year when they gave him more playing time but that's also in a Andy Reid offense with Mahomes at QB

ESB--what's he done? Again i like taking a shot with him because maybe it was just him getting held back in GB.

Velus Jones--The guy has talent but everyone, and you know it was everyone, had him as a big reach going in the 3rd round.

I'm down with everything Poles did with the guys i mentioned and R.Griffin and O'Shaughnessy to back up Kmet and the other WR's they brought in. N.Harry trade isn't looking too good right now, bjt it all just taking a shot on guys which is why they were signed to 1-2 year contracts.

 

[MikeDitkaPolishSausage]

I agree and never said anything about the job he's done besides that it's underwhelming which i still agree with. He brought in help but the help he brought in are more taking shots and guys that have done some good things in their careers up until the last week that he signed two vets in Schofield and Reiff.

L.Patrick is a shot with the minimal amount of time he's started in the NFL even though he looked decent in those times. I like him but we don't know what he'll be as a full time starter.

Pringle has been a #4-#5 WR for the Chiefs but looked good last year when they gave him more playing time but that's also in a Andy Reid offense with Mahomes at QB

ESB--what's he done? Again i like taking a shot with him because maybe it was just him getting held back in GB.

Velus Jones--The guy has talent but everyone, and you know it was everyone, had him as a big reach going in the 3rd round.

I'm down with everything Poles did with the guys i mentioned and R.Griffin and O'Shaughnessy to back up Kmet and the other WR's they brought in. N.Harry trade isn't looking too good right now, bjt it all just taking a shot on guys which is why they were signed to 1-2 year contracts.

But taking shots at guys like Poles did is how you manage a team when your goal is to build through the draft. This team might be 3-4 years away from competing on a regular basis. So signing guys to 1-2 year cheap deals hoping they pan out is the strategy to take.

Until he builds a core team of younger draft picks, signing big name FA to huge contracts is pointless. From the beginning, Poles gave hints away that he wasn’t going to spend big and he stuck to his word.

 

[bamainatlanta]

The fan base would of been fine with what Poles has been doing if he did more to help Fields in free agency and the draft.

Like offering WR Kirk $84million or 30yr old + Olinemen big contracts?

 

[dabears70]

Like offering WR Kirk $84million or 30yr old + Olinemen big contracts?

Kirk no, depending on which o-lineman you're talking about maybe.

 

[dabears70]

But taking shots at guys like Poles did is how you manage a team when your goal is to build through the draft. This team might be 3-4 years away from competing on a regular basis. So signing guys to 1-2 year cheap deals hoping they pan out is the strategy to take.

Until he builds a core team of younger draft picks, signing big name FA to huge contracts is pointless. From the beginning, Poles gave hints away that he wasn’t going to spend big and he stuck to his word.

Yep and i agree with all this and have followed everything Poles told us from the beginning.

Still an underwhelming offseason.

 

[bamainatlanta]

Kirk no, depending on which o-lineman you're talking about maybe.

I think you tried to make a case for the linemen that Cincy signed for big money....that don't grade out much better than Reiff or Schofield.

 

[dabears70]

I think you tried to make a case for the linemen that Cincy signed for big money....that don't grade out much better than Reiff or Schofield.

Yeah i brought up L.Collins and A.Cappa. Both better players than either one of Reiff or Schofield and younger. I don't go off of grades alone like some on here do, i go by the eye test more like the actual front office people mostly do.

 

[Montucky]

But taking shots at guys like Poles did is how you manage a team when your goal is to build through the draft. This team might be 3-4 years away from competing on a regular basis. So signing guys to 1-2 year cheap deals hoping they pan out is the strategy to take.

Until he builds a core team of younger draft picks, signing big name FA to huge contracts is pointless. From the beginning, Poles gave hints away that he wasn’t going to spend big and he stuck to his word.

There is no way this should take three or four years to get going. Even if Justin Fields is terrible.

 

[Anytime23]

i go by the eye test more like the actual front office people mostly do.

Is it the same eye test that produced this?


You don't watch the rest of the league. I dont see why you feel the need to lie about it. Just be a Bears fan who only watches the Bears. No one will n3g you for it.

 

[MikeDitkaPolishSausage]

Yep and i agree with all this and have followed everything Poles told us from the beginning.

Still an underwhelming offseason.

Again it doesn’t make it an underwhelming season if he followed through with his plan.