Pace.... how ya like me now!!!

iueyedoc · Dec 10, 2018

playthrough2001 said:
The OP didn’t really state that but why should that stop you from having a good rant?

This surprises you?

playthrough2001 · Dec 10, 2018

iueyedoc said:
This surprises you?

Not one bit... It’s his thing.

Black Rainbow · Dec 10, 2018

playthrough2001 said:
I was one of the few guys on this board that advocated for Mahomes and wanted them to draft him and I have to laugh at the future hall of famer comment. I think we should let these guys play a few more years before crowning any of them. If you think he whiffed on Trubisky, I can’t help you. There is a massive list of top tier NFL QBs that struggled or were uneven starting out.

From the perspective of he could have had a MUCH better QB - not that Trubisky is a bust - yeah, in my opinion he whiffed. You don't have to "help me" with that. I already know.

Wild_x_Card · Dec 10, 2018

halftime said:
From the perspective of he could have had a MUCH better QB - not that Trubisky is a bust - yeah, in my opinion he whiffed. You don't have to "help me" with that. I already know.

Similar to how you knew the bears would go 0-3 against the Rams, Packers, and Vikings. In fact you were certain. Then it turned into a backpedal 1-2 prediction.

You already know...?

Big Tyme D · Dec 10, 2018

Rory Sparrow said:
....can you imagine if Pace had signed Glennon to a long-term $100M deal?...

The point is........ he DIDN'T.... lol. Glennon was set up to be a place holder. And his horrible play forced Trubs in sooner than later.... but .... that was inevitable regardless.

Rory Sparrow said:
That's nice. The negatives outweighed the positives. It's amazing how many dumb football thoughts get posted on CCS, yet everyone saw how successful the Bears would be this year because of the brilliance of Pace's early years.

That makes as much since as a wooden nickle. If the negatives outweighed the positives....................................... the team wouldn't be in the position it is now.

dweebs19 · Dec 10, 2018

he still needs to get his QB as I don't think Trubisky will be the answer long term. Hope I'm wrong, but I don't think Pace knows how to pick QBs. Wasn't he interested in Marcus Mariotta as well?

Bearly · Dec 10, 2018

Here's the thing about Pace. He's not so proud as to not correct his mistakes. He moves forward and is constantly and actively trying to improve his roster like good GMs are want to do. He's a good GM, none of them bat 1000 but it's still early. One good year doesn't make a GM just like with coaches or players.

Something that rarely gets mentioned is how good he is at getting things he wants. Nagy and Mack are cases in point. Both seem to be major coups that have led to this seasons result. He just seems to hound and unassumingly nice his way into deals. Not really sure the formula but he seems to be Oppie with fangs.

It will be interesting to see how we address our cap and lack of draft picks in the next few years. You generally want one or the other. Not having much of either picks or cap space will make the roster much more difficult to navigate. I suspect he does fine but like I said, still too early to crown his ass.

I liked the hire, have defended him a bit because it was a tough job and mistakes are inevitable but...

Newblood · Dec 10, 2018

halftime said:
Well, when you consider he had a 66% chance at drafting a franchise QB and he took Trubisky instead. He had a 33% chance of drafting a future HOFer, and he whiffed.

Wrong.

Bearly · Dec 10, 2018

dweebs19 said:
he still needs to get his QB as I don't think Trubisky will be the answer long term. Hope I'm wrong, but I don't think Pace knows how to pick QBs. Wasn't he interested in Marcus Mariotta as well?

and Wentz. Here's a tidbit. Nobody is that good at picking QBs and it's still early to call it on Mitch who was (arguably) the top QB on the majority of teams draft boards that year.

iueyedoc · Dec 10, 2018

halftime said:
From the perspective of he could have had a MUCH better QB - not that Trubisky is a bust - yeah, in my opinion he whiffed. You don't have to "help me" with that. I already know.

If Pace built a Eli Manning-esque 2xSB championship team you would still bitch about passing on Phillip Rivers.

Big Tyme D · Dec 10, 2018

halftime said:
Meh, we had a dominant defense and playoff appearances and a Super Bowl run under Angelo and what does the average Bears fan think about Angelo?

A common denominator is missing on first round picks. White? Floyd?? Trubisky? Especially when you consider he moved up to draft Trubisky first when he coulda had Mahomes or Watson.

Angelo inherited some of our best players... and with Lovie at coach we made the playoffs and ha a SB appearance. But his horrid drafting eventually caught up and destroyed the franchise. Also... you could already see the writing on the wall at some critical positions like QB... that we likely were not going to get back. Grossman was the most drastically inconsistent QB ever.... and Orton just was consistently not very good period.

The only #1 miss Pace has had is White.... Floyd may not be the sack artist we hoped... but he's still a very good LB and a major part of the Defense.... Trubs....... We didn't give up much to get Trubs... though I will agree we shouldn't have given up anything. But suggestions on we could have taken Mahomes and Watson is purely 20/20 hindsight. Trubs was considered best of the bunch by most so called experts.... and we got him.

Hawkeye OG · Dec 10, 2018

Pace should be up for GM of the year, no doubt. Let's not sit here and act like he is god though. He's made mistakes in the draft and handed out some bad contracts, but that's just part of the job. Luckily some of his mistakes have largely been forgettable because he has drafted extremely well late in the draft and was lucky enough to have one of the best defensive players served to him on a silver platter.

Rory Sparrow · Dec 10, 2018

Big Tyme D said:
The point is........ he DIDN'T.... lol. Glennon was set up to be a place holder. And his horrible play forced Trubs in sooner than later.... but .... that was inevitable regardless.

I'm not sure what is/was praiseworthy about Pace's signing of Glennon. He gave Glennon more money and PT than any other team in the NFL was willing to offer. Glennon wasn't any good. Its not like Pace pulled a fast one on the other NFL GMs.

Big Tyme D said:
That makes as much since as a wooden nickle. If the negatives outweighed the positives....................................... the team wouldn't be in the position it is now.

The NFL is designed to by cyclical. Last place teams draft higher, get easier schedules, and typically have more cap space since none of their current players are worthy of big $$. The 2018 Bears have benefited from multiple years of drafting in the top 10, a last place schedule, and having enough cap space to trade for Mack and offer up-front money.

I'm not sure how/why Pace's first two years in Chicago need to be given revisionist history. I'd say that he learned from his mistakes and emerged from it as a better GM. To put forth this narrative that Pace has stuck to his 'original plan' is ridiculous.

Schmidtaki · Dec 10, 2018

Many posters here love to hang their hats on so called intelligence but then turn around and can't read between lines on posts or show any sign of patience. I have always liked the picks Pace has made. Yeah hes bound to have a few duds, everyone does. I see a lot of unrealistic expectations by fans as well. I personally don't understand the point of rooting for a sports team claiming yourself a fan but being pessimistic about said team. Pace is one of the best things to happen to this team and when he finally got the freedom to pick his guy he choose Nagy who may go down as one of the best coaches in the league with many many years to go. Nagy certainly has da fire and da passion!

Pace will be GOAT.

modo · Dec 10, 2018

Pace didn't come in here and light things up for the franchise. He made plenty of mistakes. Bad FA signings, bad draft choices etc. Those mistakes are apart of what Pace did, and it is ok to admit there were mistakes. There were also some good things early too.

I won't get into the minutia of everything he did right and wrong; some of those are debatable on an individual basis. The takeaway here is that Pace did enough to let him keep his job from year 3 to year 4. Pace basically earned one more contract with Trubisky and Nagy as either anchors or floaties.

The good pieces that Pace was able to acquire and retain over the past three years and what he did this offseason has lead the Bears to where they are right now. Anyone who continues the narrative that Pace is not a good GM is just plain wrong at this point. That doesn't mean that Pace hasn't made mistakes in the past and that it is ok to acknowledge that.

Rory Sparrow · Dec 10, 2018

iueyedoc said:
This surprises you?

You seem upset. Great response, BTW. Please tell me more about how its incorrect to criticize the Glennon signing.

Black Rainbow · Dec 10, 2018

Wild_x_Card said:
Similar to how you knew the bears would go 0-3 against the Rams, Packers, and Vikings. In fact you were certain. Then it turned into a backpedal 1-2 prediction.

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Wild_x_Card · Dec 10, 2018

halftime said:
Admittedly, I'm off to a bad start on that bet, but it's not over!

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Black Rainbow · Dec 10, 2018

Wild_x_Card said:
I'm just busting your balls man. I did send you a PM and was willing to make an actual bet.

Yeah, I don't check PMs much because I primarily use the site on my phone and there's no way to check them. I wouldn't have bet cash because I don't use PayPal and wouldn't be willing to setup an account for one bet.

Bragging rights are on the line, and I'm sweatin' a little bit. lol.