Patrick Williams’ playoff debut will be fascinating

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The irony is that we should have drafted the guy from Iowa State.
 

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The irony is that we should have drafted the guy from Iowa State.
Or Scottie Barnes in exact same scenario out of FSU a year later panned out.
 

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Lol @ all the PWill hate. Whomst should the bulls of taken at #4 then?! Since we are playing captain hindsight apparently
 

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Lol @ all the PWill hate. Whomst should the bulls of taken at #4 then?! Since we are playing captain hindsight apparently

It's unfortunate the Bulls missed LaMelo Ball by just one pick prior. Bulls were left with table scraps.

Speaking of which look at the list of Bulls 1st round picks thru all those years of non playoff seasons. it's a low bar like chicago bear qb's. #brutal

 

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It's unfortunate the Bulls missed LaMelo Ball by just one pick prior. Bulls were left with table scraps.

Speaking of which look at the list of Bulls 1st round picks thru all those years of non playoff seasons. it's a low bar like chicago bear qb's. #brutal

What's your point? Bulls are a terrible franchise like the Bears? Chicago is a crappy sports city? Everything sucks?
 

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What's your point? Bulls are a terrible franchise like the Bears? Chicago is a crappy sports city? Everything sucks?

chicago franchises of the blackhawks, bulls and bears haven't hit on many "The Guy" franchise changing players of late. They full of just a guy roster spots. Til that changes . . . well you know.
 

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chicago franchises of the blackhawks, bulls and bears haven't hit on many "The Guy" franchise changing players of late. They full of just a guy roster spots. Til that changes . . . well you know.
Thank you Captain Obvious
 

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Lol @ all the PWill hate. Whomst should the bulls of taken at #4 then?! Since we are playing captain hindsight apparently
Ehhh, there is no hate here, no need to defend something that doesn't exist. Simple statement: I don't believe anyone would take him 4th overall in a redraft. That's ok, #4 overall picks are historically hit & miss (you may want to divert your eyes from 2001/2000/1980).


Number 4

Year Player School/Country – Team

2019 De’Andre Hunter – Atlanta Hawks
2018 Jaren Jackson Jr., Michigan State – Memphis Grizzlies
2017 Josh Jackson, Kansas – Phoenix Suns
2016 Dragan Bender, Israel – Phoenix Suns
2015 Kristaps Porzingis, Baloncesta Sevilla – New York Knicks
2014 Aaron Gordon, Arizona – Orlando Magic
2013 Cody Zeller, Indiana – Charlotte Bobcats
2012 Dion Waiters, Syracuse – Cleveland Cavaliers
2011 Tristan Thompson, Texas – Cleveland Cavaliers
2010 Wesley Johnson, Syracuse – Minnesota Timberwolves

2000’s

2009 Tyreke Evans, Memphis – Sacramento Kings
2008 Russell Westbrook, UCLA – Seattle Supersonics
2007 Mike Conley Jr, Ohio State – Memphis Grizzlies
2006 Tyrus Thomas, Louisiana State – Portland Trail Blazers
2005 Chris Paul, Wake Forest – New Orleans Hornets
2004 Shaun Livingston, Peoria HS (IL) – L.A. Clippers
2003 Chris Bosh, Georgia Tech – Toronto Raptors
2002 Drew Gooden, Kansas – Memphis Grizzlies
2001 Eddy Curry, Thornwood HS (IL) – Chicago Bulls
2000 Marcus Fizer, Iowa State – Chicago Bulls

1990’s

1999 Lamar Odom, Rhode Island – L.A. Clippers
1998 Antawn Jamison, North Carolina – Toronto Raptors
1997 Antonio Daniels, Bowling Green – Vancouver Grizzlies
1996 Stephon Marbury, Georgia Tech – Milwaukee Bucks
1995 Rasheed Wallace, North Carolina – Washington Bullets
1994 Donyell Marshall, Connecticut – Minnesota Timberwolves
1993 Jamal Mashburn, Kentucky – Dallas Mavericks
1992 Jim Jackson, Ohio State – Dallas Mavericks
1991 Dikembe Mutombo, Georgetown – Denver Nuggets
1990 Dennis Scott, Georgia Tech – Orlando Magic

1980’s

1989 Glen Rice, Michigan – Miami HEAT
1988 Chris Morris, Auburn – New Jersey Nets
1987 Reggie Williams, Georgetown – L.A. Clippers
1986 Chuck Person, Auburn – Indiana Pacers
1985 Xavier McDaniel, Wichita State – Seattle Supersonics
1984 Sam Perkins, North Carolina – Dallas Mavericks
1983 Byron Scott, Arizona State – San Diego Clippers
1982 Bill Garnett, Wyoming – Dallas Mavericks
1981 Al Wood, North Carolina – Atlanta Hawks
1980 Kelvin Ransey, Ohio State – Chicago Bulls
 

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what is clearly obvious is the bar is set so low for chicago franchises guys like pat williams will be given a pass <excuses> for years.
If you expect failure, is it still giving a pass?
 

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okay we get it. you know Williams in some way . . .

ALL GOOD MAN!
lol if I knew Williams maybe I could convince him to take more than 5 shots per game
 

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Ehhh, there is no hate here, no need to defend something that doesn't exist. Simple statement: I don't believe anyone would take him 4th overall in a redraft. That's ok, #4 overall picks are historically hit & miss (you may want to divert your eyes from 2001/2000/1980).


Number 4

Year Player School/Country – Team

2019 De’Andre Hunter – Atlanta Hawks
2018 Jaren Jackson Jr., Michigan State – Memphis Grizzlies
2017 Josh Jackson, Kansas – Phoenix Suns
2016 Dragan Bender, Israel – Phoenix Suns
2015 Kristaps Porzingis, Baloncesta Sevilla – New York Knicks
2014 Aaron Gordon, Arizona – Orlando Magic
2013 Cody Zeller, Indiana – Charlotte Bobcats
2012 Dion Waiters, Syracuse – Cleveland Cavaliers
2011 Tristan Thompson, Texas – Cleveland Cavaliers
2010 Wesley Johnson, Syracuse – Minnesota Timberwolves

2000’s

2009 Tyreke Evans, Memphis – Sacramento Kings
2008 Russell Westbrook, UCLA – Seattle Supersonics
2007 Mike Conley Jr, Ohio State – Memphis Grizzlies
2006 Tyrus Thomas, Louisiana State – Portland Trail Blazers
2005 Chris Paul, Wake Forest – New Orleans Hornets
2004 Shaun Livingston, Peoria HS (IL) – L.A. Clippers
2003 Chris Bosh, Georgia Tech – Toronto Raptors
2002 Drew Gooden, Kansas – Memphis Grizzlies
2001 Eddy Curry, Thornwood HS (IL) – Chicago Bulls
2000 Marcus Fizer, Iowa State – Chicago Bulls

1990’s

1999 Lamar Odom, Rhode Island – L.A. Clippers
1998 Antawn Jamison, North Carolina – Toronto Raptors
1997 Antonio Daniels, Bowling Green – Vancouver Grizzlies
1996 Stephon Marbury, Georgia Tech – Milwaukee Bucks
1995 Rasheed Wallace, North Carolina – Washington Bullets
1994 Donyell Marshall, Connecticut – Minnesota Timberwolves
1993 Jamal Mashburn, Kentucky – Dallas Mavericks
1992 Jim Jackson, Ohio State – Dallas Mavericks
1991 Dikembe Mutombo, Georgetown – Denver Nuggets
1990 Dennis Scott, Georgia Tech – Orlando Magic

1980’s

1989 Glen Rice, Michigan – Miami HEAT
1988 Chris Morris, Auburn – New Jersey Nets
1987 Reggie Williams, Georgetown – L.A. Clippers
1986 Chuck Person, Auburn – Indiana Pacers
1985 Xavier McDaniel, Wichita State – Seattle Supersonics
1984 Sam Perkins, North Carolina – Dallas Mavericks
1983 Byron Scott, Arizona State – San Diego Clippers
1982 Bill Garnett, Wyoming – Dallas Mavericks
1981 Al Wood, North Carolina – Atlanta Hawks
1980 Kelvin Ransey, Ohio State – Chicago Bulls
And I get that. But at the end of the day, the only guys drafted after him that are clearly better players are Halliburton and Bane. Or at least I didn’t notice anyone else drafted after him that is clearly better

So, you’re still likely talking a top 10 pick even in a hindsight redraft. He’s still got all the intangibles that scouts loved about him, and he has shown a nice 3 point shot at times. And he’s still 20 years old lol, if anyone thinks this is what he is and that he’s a finished product…I think they will be mistaken
 

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Am NOT saying PW is a bust, he's not, but knowing what we do today and from what I've seen: in a redraft, ain't no one gonna pick him top-10, let alone #4 overall.

He is Kirby Dach in a Bulls jersey.

The next generation of Chicago sports hopefuls are #3 overall pick Kirby Dach vs #4 overall Pat Williams vs Justin Fields

One of these 3 can become the next Chicago legend or all turn out to be duds

Hmmmmmm
 

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