Picking apart Hoyer saying he will spend this off season.

[CSF77]

Lester had a chip and playoff numbers.

Lester was Theo's boy. He got paid. Tony was Jed's. He got paid.

They played favorite child for sure.

Jed has had his eyes on Stroman for a while now. (Pre trade to Mets) He will pay. His history suggests that he will for the right guy.

So Jed is a business guy but he will break the mold for a heartstring move.

Not to mention there is no QO involved. This makes sense for Jed to go above and beyond the market price.

 

[CSF77]

I wouldn't be mad if the Cubs offered Scherzer a 2 year 60M deal with bonuses that could make it 70M if he got 200 IP in the year. Maybe have a 2M bonus at 175 IP and 3M at 200 IP. Maybe have a 3rd year vesting option that could lock in with 350 IP over the two seasons. If the Cubs are going to have 100-125M in payroll flexibility, Scherzer might no be a bad get. He has a ton of playoff experience and could at least be a flippable piece for a team in contention should the season not go well.

Oh hell no. God this is such a Chubby post.

Max is old. He has 3 years top left in the tank and most likely will nose dive over it.

He needs to do 1 year deals with contenders. He has been paid. All he needs are rings.

This is not a match up. By the time the Cubs are in a window he will be on the outs.

Such a bad suggestion.

 

[CSF77]

Ya Jed needs to make a strong play this offseason. Marcus makes sense. 30. Can sign him to a 7 year. Stabilize the rotation while the core turns over.

Shoot if Jed goes in and signs Marcus and fills the rest with 1 year deals it is fine. Makes the team workable and bridges the gap.

The basics:

Kyle is not a ace. Marcus is not either. But this is not a contender.

Say Jed's splash is Marcus.
He rolls with what he has out of the youth.

Rotation depth
Marcus
Hendricks
Alzolay
Mills
Steel
Thompson

6 guys and most should end up with 10 starts. 30+ is really the top 2.

So it is a upgrade to Davies. About it.

Let the season dictate who gets the short stick.

Adbert was flashing a change. I know he has a hammer still. So of them all he has the most upside.

Steel, well I am partial to him as a fellow lefty. His last game was important. He is a battler. He came back from TJ early. So he has those intangible factors that you want in a guy that has to plow through a line up 3 times.

Thompson I am rooting for the guy. Nothing remarkable about him but at least he is not a pillow tosser.

Mills...if he went primary curve maybe. He has a knee buckler and it would make his fastball better.

I don't see Jed blowing up on a 2nd player on a term. Rodon would be nice but he comes with risk and it is unlikely that Jed blows resources that way.

Other than that SS is a prime target. Who knows they might target Story. Jed has some depth 3+ years out so this is not a bad play. I don't see Jed paying over market here. There should be some activity and Jed might play vulture picking up scraps from the aftermath.

 

[JP Hochbaum]

Correa makes the most sense to make a splash. He will be 27, and even if he wants ten years 300 million it is feasible. Front load it so the back end matches his decline.

He will play SS and then Hoerner could play the Zobrist role.

I just really want Correa badly .

 

[CSF77]

Correa makes the most sense to make a splash. He will be 27, and even if he wants ten years 300 million it is feasible. Front load it so the back end matches his decline.

He will play SS and then Hoerner could play the Zobrist role.

I just really want Correa badly .

I feel that. NYY might be out on him because they blame him for cheating and costing the series a few years back.

I worry about NY when it comes down to it. They have and will set the tone for the SS market going forward.

 

[Castor76]

Oh hell no. God this is such a Chubby post.

Max is old. He has 3 years top left in the tank and most likely will nose dive over it.

He needs to do 1 year deals with contenders. He has been paid. All he needs are rings.

This is not a match up. By the time the Cubs are in a window he will be on the outs.

Such a bad suggestion.

Really? You want to say I'm giving a Chubby post because I'd not be mad if the Cubs signed a guy to a deal for 30-35M on the short term who in the past 4 full MLB seasons has pitched over 170 IP each year with a WHIP that only once was just over 1.00, struck out over 200 and walked 51 or fewer versus a long term deal for a guy who has pitched over 170 IP only twice in the same period, has a worse WHIP, and worse K/BB ratio?

If the Cubs were looking to compete next year, as was stated, then Scherzer isn't a bad signing on a short deal. If they're looking long term, then he isn't. He'd be a 1 year looking to flip to a contender at the deadline at most. I'm just looking at the landscape. Maybe Scherzer will put titles over money and no one would offer him more than 25M at 1 year clips. But we can't know. I was just stating what I'd not be mad at.

But you are also the guy throwing 30M and 7 years at Rondon.

 

[TL1961]

Oh hell no. God this is such a Chubby post.

Max is old. He has 3 years top left in the tank and most likely will nose dive over it.

He needs to do 1 year deals with contenders. He has been paid. All he needs are rings.

This is not a match up. By the time the Cubs are in a window he will be on the outs.

Such a bad suggestion.

When a player is nearing the end, he has more reason to insist on a longer contract. Not 7 years, but 4 or 5. If he has three years left, in order to get years 1-3, you pay for 5. Signing one year deals is the worst thing he could do financially.

 

[CSF77]

Really? You want to say I'm giving a Chubby post because I'd not be mad if the Cubs signed a guy to a deal for 30-35M on the short term who in the past 4 full MLB seasons has pitched over 170 IP each year with a WHIP that only once was just over 1.00, struck out over 200 and walked 51 or fewer versus a long term deal for a guy who has pitched over 170 IP only twice in the same period, has a worse WHIP, and worse K/BB ratio?

If the Cubs were looking to compete next year, as was stated, then Scherzer isn't a bad signing on a short deal. If they're looking long term, then he isn't. He'd be a 1 year looking to flip to a contender at the deadline at most. I'm just looking at the landscape. Maybe Scherzer will put titles over money and no one would offer him more than 25M at 1 year clips. But we can't know. I was just stating what I'd not be mad at.

But you are also the guy throwing 30M and 7 years at Rondon.

#1. Do you believe that payroll goes north of 200M in 2022?

#2. If so where is the proof that Jed or Tom have said such is true.

#3. If A is false (which it is) why would Jed take 35M of it and dump into 1 basket.

#4. If A is false why would Max take the money to lose games and get traded again. Because that is reality.

So I called it a chubby post because it is. Swear go get porn if you want make-believe excitement.

 

[CSF77]

When a player is nearing the end, he has more reason to insist on a longer contract. Not 7 years, but 4 or 5. If he has three years left, in order to get years 1-3, you pay for 5. Signing one year deals is the worst thing he could do financially.

He is still peaking right now. If NYY or LAD pay him as a gun he will take it because both teams have done so before and both teams are always in it.

The thing is Max can do what Max wants at this point. The man has been paid and continues to be paid regardless. The only thing to do is cement and decorate his HOF plaque.

 

[Chicagosports89]

#1. Do you believe that payroll goes north of 200M in 2022?

#2. If so where is the proof that Jed or Tom have said such is true.

#3. If A is false (which it is) why would Jed take 35M of it and dump into 1 basket.

#4. If A is false why would Max take the money to lose games and get traded again. Because that is reality.

So I called it a chubby post because it is. Swear go get porn if you want make-believe excitement.

I didn't see an option A anywhere. I also didn't see a true false statement.

 

[Castor76]

#1. Do you believe that payroll goes north of 200M in 2022?

#2. If so where is the proof that Jed or Tom have said such is true.

#3. If A is false (which it is) why would Jed take 35M of it and dump into 1 basket.

#4. If A is false why would Max take the money to lose games and get traded again. Because that is reality.

So I called it a chubby post because it is. Swear go get porn if you want make-believe excitement.

1) No

2) See #1

3) Firstly, my offer was 30M with the possibility of 35M if incentives are met. Secondly, Scherzer has been one of the top pitchers in baseball the past 5 seasons with no signs of slowing down. Thirdly, my offer is short term whereas yours is long term for almost the same money. Getting back to how much to put into one basket though. The Cubs would have over 110M they could add to payroll and be around the 175M mark. The Cubs have an estimated payroll below 60M according to Cots for 2022.

So, if the Cubs were to go pretty well in and give themselves a 200M budget for 2022 payroll, that would be 140 M in additional payroll they could add. So they could market out 35M each for an impact TOR and bat and still have 70M to fill out rotation, another bat, and pen arms they might want to add.

4) I could ask the same of the two "stalwarts" you suggested. You would have to sell Scherzer on the idea that the Cubs are in a window where they could win.

So keep stroking yourself with you hurt more than not suggestions.

 

[CSF77]

1) No

2) See #1

3) Firstly, my offer was 30M with the possibility of 35M if incentives are met. Secondly, Scherzer has been one of the top pitchers in baseball the past 5 seasons with no signs of slowing down. Thirdly, my offer is short term whereas yours is long term for almost the same money. Getting back to how much to put into one basket though. The Cubs would have over 110M they could add to payroll and be around the 175M mark. The Cubs have an estimated payroll below 60M according to Cots for 2022.

So, if the Cubs were to go pretty well in and give themselves a 200M budget for 2022 payroll, that would be 140 M in additional payroll they could add. So they could market out 35M each for an impact TOR and bat and still have 70M to fill out rotation, another bat, and pen arms they might want to add.

4) I could ask the same of the two "stalwarts" you suggested. You would have to sell Scherzer on the idea that the Cubs are in a window where they could win.

So keep stroking yourself with you hurt more than not suggestions.

140M

Right now: 58.125M
Add 30 laughable. MLBTR has him pushing 70M on a 2 year. So 35 is a lock.

93.125M Locked in.

Arb cases:

Happ: 6.5M
Contreras: 8M

Rest pass
107.625

33M to sign a SS, back up catcher, 1-2 pen arms.

ya right.

The reality is you are not in touch with it.

But keep up the great work skipper.

I wouldn't even consider Rodon unless he came at a discount. 20M AAV max. Stroman if he came in at 25M AAV with years to build around.

To sign Max it means they open up the coffers and are going for a 200M+. Period. That means they are targeting So\tory and/or Seager. Max and Stroman. Ink a legit closer and build up a real pen.

Max is in a world of his own. He is not going to settle for a half ass attempt.

 

[CSF77]

Max is not going to settle for 3 AAAA players. I can see Frank. Because those numbers were pretty legit. Wisdom is a one trick pony. Ortega is a 4th OF,

The Cubs have too many holes. Max has 2-3 years left. He will not waste it on a team in transition. White Sox have a far better shot if they go there. They are in a window. Cubs would have to force it.

 

[Castor76]

140M

Right now: 58.125M
Add 30 laughable. MLBTR has him pushing 70M on a 2 year. So 35 is a lock.

93.125M Locked in.

Arb cases:

Happ: 6.5M
Contreras: 8M

Rest pass
107.625

33M to sign a SS, back up catcher, 1-2 pen arms.

ya right.

The reality is you are not in touch with it.

But keep up the great work skipper.

I wouldn't even consider Rodon unless he came at a discount. 20M AAV max. Stroman if he came in at 25M AAV with years to build around.

To sign Max it means they open up the coffers and are going for a 200M+. Period. That means they are targeting So\tory and/or Seager. Max and Stroman. Ink a legit closer and build up a real pen.

Max is in a world of his own. He is not going to settle for a half ass attempt.

You know what the best part of your one man circle jerk is? I never said the Cubs should or could do it. I said I wouldn't be mad if they did. You could have been an adult and said there's no way he'd sign for that money and with this team, but "sense" you are you, you had to go another route and just insult.

In my last post I had him "inked" at 35M per so where was your point? You take away the not quite 15M for Happ and Contreras arbitrations and they'd still have 55M if they were going to spend up to 200 M after spending another 35M on a top bat. If it was only 175M, it's now only 30M left but then you could question how much are they really going for it versus just trying to look like it.

 

[Castor76]

Stroman should get a term deal. 5/135 should be the starting point

I honestly see Jed going here and targeting Marcus because it makes a statement. This is not about a rebuild. This was a remodel.

If Jed signs Marcus then finds a way to remove Heyward. Gets Davis MLB ready for RF.

Payroll wise adding Stroman would put payroll around 100M. If they go 150M that opens up a short term lefty a pen vet and a decent bat.

Let's just look at it for a second.

Rotation:. Let's say 40M here.

Stroman
Hendricks
Let's say Pax on a 1 year.
3 way battle Thompson, Azolay and Mills
Steel.

Pen. I would stick at the 10M range

2 losers from the #4 battle.
Wieck & Morgan LH pen arms
Wick & Heuer RH set up.

So they need a closer.

Jed closed out with pitching will be the #1 priority and I can see him being aggressive on this front.

Now hitting, they will need a starting quality SS. Corry Seager is still my #1 hope. They will need a LH bat core hitter. Happ has too much instability to be dependent on.

So in short.

Dump Heyward. Push Davis to RF ASAP

Sign Stroman 25 AAV. then Seager 25AAV

sign a short term closer and short term LHSP. This is more of a value signing. Cubs have talent pending here and it makes sense to keep it short term and flexible.

So we are talking 4 guys and 70M added. With Nico freed up it puts PA's on him in the OF until Davis promotes then he shifts to a sub.

Over all this team is decent and should get better as talent breaks through. Not to mention plenty of trade depth for a run.

This post here is a prime example of you

Your first line has Stroman on a 27 AAV deal. You then later talk about getting him for only 25 AAV. Which is it, 27 or 25? Then you have Seager on a 25 AAV. Sportrac has him at just under 32M AAV.

You say dump Heyward without explaining what you mean by that. Do you mean cut him and eat the entire contract, trade him if you can find a partner while eating a good portion of the contract, or trade him if you can find a partner who's willing to take on all of it for a player who otherwise has no value? Are the Cubs eating 23, 18, 13, 8, or less per year for the next 3 seasons while getting nothing in return but an open roster slot?

And who are these closer and LHSP you're getting for 10M AAV?

This was your thought just over two weeks ago.

 

[CSF77]

I didn't see an option A anywhere. I also didn't see a true false statement.

Come on now. I think we all know that this is a pipe dream and the smoke is not legal

 

[CSF77]

This post here is a prime example of you

Your first line has Stroman on a 27 AAV deal. You then later talk about getting him for only 25 AAV. Which is it, 27 or 25? Then you have Seager on a 25 AAV. Sportrac has him at just under 32M AAV.

You say dump Heyward without explaining what you mean by that. Do you mean cut him and eat the entire contract, trade him if you can find a partner while eating a good portion of the contract, or trade him if you can find a partner who's willing to take on all of it for a player who otherwise has no value? Are the Cubs eating 23, 18, 13, 8, or less per year for the next 3 seasons while getting nothing in return but an open roster slot?

And who are these closer and LHSP you're getting for 10M AAV?

This was your thought just over two weeks ago.

Ok

Heyward is included in the 58M regardless if he is a Cub or not. He is half of it.

As much as it sounds outstanding. Targeting Max is not going to happen.

What will happen?

For the most part give Wisdom/Ortega and Schwindel their reps. Hoerner plays CF vs lefties and hits 3B to switch up the line up.

I think we might see Mags and Ortega 1&2. Schwindel #3. Now #4 as of now is Happ. They can do better but Happ is so great/awful and not much in-between. They need a core LH hitter more than anything.

Anyone's guess is right on how to approach this.

For the record my main target is Seager. LH contact hitter. SO rate was low at 16%. He is a guy that would be a intelligent target 27 YO so they can lock him up long term. Gives a solid top of the line up that David can mix up depending on the match up.

As far as pitching goes I would be shocked by anyone else than Stroman. He is a solid investment.

About it. Jed can sign 1 years to fill what he lacks after that. Heyward I would keep until Davis is ready. The writing is on the wall. The moved him to RF mid season. It doesn't take a genius to figure that one out.

 

[JP Hochbaum]

Rumors are heating up that Cubs will be on a short stop. My hopes are Correa or Seager, and stay away from Story, as he will be an overpay.

 

[Chicagosports89]

Rumors are heating up that Cubs will be on a short stop. My hopes are Correa or Seager, and stay away from Story, as he will be an overpay.

Seager and Correa are the only 2 I'm interested in. Javy had a good month and a half to end the season, but my gut says he's going to bust if he gets a long contract.

 

[TL1961]

I am with you in wanting no part of Story.