Ranking last 4 draft Qbs (No love for our boy Mitch)

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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...dex-week-16-ranking-qbs-from-last-four-drafts

Two years after former Browns executive Sashi Brown made the unpopular decision to pass on Carson Wentz, the Browns have a younger, potentially better quarterback in place. This is not an article defending the analytically driven tenure of Sashi, just one that recognizes that the process behind passing up on Wentz eventually resulted in the Browns finally finding their chosen one.

Mayfield is part of a blockbuster draft class selected by new Browns GM John Dorsey, while Sashi's underrated 2017 class (Myles Garrett/David Njoku/Jabrill Peppers/Larry Ogunjobi) adds to the stacked young core. Mayfield's arm strength is obvious. But I believe he's the most impressive rookie quarterback to enter the league since Andrew Luck because he displays the same type of anticipation, accuracy, pocket presence and feel for the game that helps make Luck special. There is nothing deferential in Mayfield's game, no concept that he has to bide his time learning as a pro before taking ownership of his team.

In honor of Mayfield's decisiveness, there's no point in waiting to say I'd take Mayfield over Wentz, Jared Goff, Deshaun Watson and Dak Prescott long-term.

NOTE: For this week's QB Index, I chose the impossible task of ranking the quarterbacks from the last four draft classes with a minimum of 100 pass attempts. They are ranked for the long haul, not how they've performed this season. Mayfield just narrowly misses coming out on top.

THE FUTURE OF THE LEAGUE
1

Patrick Mahomes

QB
Chiefs

2

Baker Mayfield

QB
Browns

3

Carson Wentz

QB
Eagles

4

Deshaun Watson

QB
Texans

5

Jared Goff

QB
Rams

6

Sam Darnold

QB
Jets

The closest historical comparison to what Mahomes is accomplishing at age 23 is probably Dan Marino's 1984 MVP campaign. There are echoes of Kurt Warner's 1999 season, when he emerged as a fresh leader of a cutting-edge offense, although Warner's path up to that point couldn't have been much more different from Mahomes'. While Mahomes possesses a level of athleticism that would have been difficult to imagine 34 years ago, he's keeping the company of Hall of Famers. It's amazing how quickly and how high he's raised the bar.

The rest of this tier was tougher to sort out, but Mayfield gets the edge over the rest of the pack because he's further advanced as a rookie than Wentz, Watson or Goff were. The ceiling is higher, which feels strange to write when a physical freak like Wentz is listed next.

It's unfair to call Wentz injury-prone, even though this could be his third season out of four, including his final college season, marred by injury. Back issues and a torn ACL are not trifling injuries to be dismissed, but Wentz has not had recurring issues. Matthew Stafford was called injury-prone early in his career and now he hasn't missed a start in eight seasons. Wentz's accuracy may be a bigger concern long-term, but the 25-year-old already has shown he's capable of leading a championship-level team.


Wentz has started 40 games in his short career, double that of Watson. Still just 23, the post-ACL surgery adjustment in playing style speaks well for Watson's ability to adapt in an ever-evolving sport. Watson wins true devotion from seemingly everyone he meets, inspiring the type of awestruck quotes Tom Brady once used to. Texans coach Bill O'Brien publicly thanks God that Watson is his quarterback. Perhaps Watson, like Brady, will have the type of career that someday makes too-early pro evaluations of him short-sighted.

Goff was quickly underestimated coming off his rocky rookie season under Jeff Fisher. Trying to separate how Goff would fare with another coach is an exercise in missing the point, though. Sean McVay is his coach and will be his coach, giving the two young blonde Californians every opportunity to build a legacy together in Los Angeles.

Sam Darnold is still looking for his forever coach. A lot of really smart people are happy to stake their reputation on Darnold's future, and he's shown enough at age 21 to justify whatever career you choose to project for him. Can't we just let the kid grow, however, before making some grand pronouncement about what lies ahead? Who came up with this assignment?

STARTERS
7

Dak Prescott

QB
Cowboys

8

Jameis Winston

QB
Buccaneers

9

Marcus Mariota

QB
Titans

Even if Prescott, a fourth-round pick in 2016, didn't improve for the rest of his career, he'd be among the draft's best quarterback values of the decade. Whether Prescott's career more closely mirrors Russell Wilson's, Kirk Cousins' or something lesser is a matter of much debate between lovers of football with opinions. Dak played like a top-10 quarterback as a rookie, then more like a league-average starter over the last two. Even a league-average starting quarterback is worth quite a bit, especially on a team where the owner often overpays his stars.


Winston, who is younger than Prescott, has arrived at a similar playing level via a much different route. Winston's year-end rankings in the QB Index were No. 17 and No. 15 over the last two years. My friend and colleague Chris Wesseling would say that I've overrated Winston since he entered the league, and Wess would be right so far. Winston's suspension to start the season raises even larger questions about his long-term viability. For now, he seems likely to remain in Tampa on the fifth-year option under a new head coach because NFL teams just don't let young mid-tier starting quarterbacks walk away.

Tennessee will have a similarly complex decision to make regarding Mariota after 2019. After an uneven first season with new coordinator Matt LaFleur, the organization seems likely to want to see more passing success before investing a contract worthy of an established veteran starter.

I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING
10

Josh Rosen

QB
Cardinals

11

Lamar Jackson

QB
Ravens

12

Mitchell Trubisky

QB
Bears

13

Josh Allen

QB
Bills

14

Nick Mullens

QB
49ers

15

Jacoby Brissett

QB
Colts

If the preceding words or preceding columns didn't make it clear, I don't really know anything about how these young quarterbacks' careers will turn out. No one does, and that's some comfort.

I loved Rosen's game and profile coming out of UCLA. He's made just enough special throws in a dreary rookie season to make one believe he simply needs a different coach, like Goff (with McVay) and Trubisky (with first-year coach Matt Nagy) did. The Bears quarterback has shown significant progress in his second NFL season, and a lot of smart people fully expect him to be a quality starter. The opinions on Lamar Jackson are mixed, but I love how the Ravens are accentuating his remarkable strengths, and there's every reason to believe he can improve with more reps.


Allen is not quite like any rookie prospect in memory, which is not a bad thing. Even as a longstanding member of Team Tyrod, I find Bills games fascinating to watch lately. The team may have replaced the best pure runner at quarterback ... with a better running quarterback. I don't have a lot of confidence Allen can make sense long term, but it should at least be fun to watch.

Expectations for a top-10 pick, of course, should be higher than "fun to watch." Imagine how much more credit Nick Mullens would bathe in for the hot start to his career if he had been taken No. 7 overall instead of going undrafted. Mullens has already started more games than any active undrafted quarterback this decade except for Case Keenum and Brian Hoyer, who took years to break out. The sample size is incredibly small, but here are the five quarterbacks in NFL history with a higher yards-per-attempt average than Mullens during their first season, with a minimum of 100 attempts: Otto Graham, Greg Cook, Bob Waterfield, Ben Roethlisberger and Y.A. Tittle. At this rate, the 49ers will trade Jimmy G back to the Patriots.

(More likely: Mullens remains one of the most promising backups in football for a while, not unlike Brissett.)

THE BACKUPS
16

Trevor Siemian

QB
Vikings

17

Jeff Driskel

QB
Bengals

18

DeShone Kizer

QB
Packers

19

C.J. Beathard

QB
49ers

20

Cody Kessler

QB
Jaguars

21

Brett Hundley

QB
Seahawks

Of this group, Siemian is the one I believe has the best chance to still be in the league in 10 years. That's why he leads the tier, dummy.

ON THE EDGE
22

Nathan Peterman

QB
Raiders

23

Kevin Hogan

QB
Broncos

24

Bryce Petty
QB

25

Paxton Lynch
QB

These are the last four names that topped my 100-pass-attempts barrier for the previous four draft classes. Peterman is back in the league with Jon Gruden, but he will be fighting for his roster life in the offseason. That is typical of a league where most fifth-round picks don't make it to a third season. (Why Peterman started so many games in Buffalo in his first two years will be the subject of a great profile by Tim Graham of The Athletic someday, probably.) Lynch, the Broncos' 2016 first-rounder, figures to get another chance in someone's camp next year.

WAITING FOR A CHANCE
Nate Sudfeld, Eagles; Jake Rudock, Lions; Joshua Dobbs, Steelers; Mason Rudolph, Steelers; Sean Mannion, Rams; Kyle Lauletta, Giants; Connor Cook, Bengals; Davis Webb, Jets.
 

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I guess the “experts” overlook QBs in Chicago because of past history and Trubisky’s current inconsistencies. That’s fine. The Bears have always played better in the underdog role. Also, hype from the experts makes QB contracts bigger. If Mitch can play just under the “elite QB” radar he may not demand the next biggest QB contact in 3 years which allows for a more talented roster.
 

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I guess Gregg doesn’t think much of ESPN’s QBR either.
 

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Some how, this doesn't bother me. Seems the norm.
 

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He’s been anti-Trubisky from the word go. He doesn’t think much of Pace too.
 

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It amazes me people are still high on Sam Darnald..he is on par with current day Eli Manning...a statue in the pocket, turn over machine with solid games here or there...I always thought he would be a bust and stand by it.

I like Trubs, but he still needs to work on consistency and accuracy to make it in this league long term. He has the intangibles, but needs the defense and playcalling to bail him out too often. Then again, I think the more experience he gains the better he will become..still plays with some butterflies
 

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I did not see anything anti Trubs. He just said he know very little about him but many insiders think highly of him. Mitch and Mayfield will get some SBs IMO.
 

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That's cute. Most national media are buffoons who don't watch the actual games. Sad thing here, is that he has Watson so high and Mitch so low.

Statistically they have pretty much the same production on a game by game basis. Watson also has one of the top 5 WR's in football to his disposal.

The hate mitch gets is unaccounted for. Yes, he is inconsistent, but he has gotten much more reliable as the season went on and has made plenty of big plays to help his team.
 

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It amazes me people are still high on Sam Darnald..he is on par with current day Eli Manning...a statue in the pocket, turn over machine with solid games here or there...I always thought he would be a bust and stand by it.

I like Trubs, but he still needs to work on consistency and accuracy to make it in this league long term. He has the intangibles, but needs the defense and playcalling to bail him out too often. Then again, I think the more experience he gains the better he will become..still plays with some butterflies

My guess is that is where all the inconsistency comes from. Gets nervous in big games due to lack of experience, mechanics break down, throws sails.

He will be fine going forward. 3 Years from now he will already be the greatest bears QB of all time. He rarely makes those stupid throws that make you scratch your head like cutler did, and has an elite level of athleticism and pocket presence for the position.
 

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I didn’t see this as anti Mitch... just not sure on Mitch... which is fair.
 

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Wentz at #3 is a joke. Dude will be out of the league in a few more years with all his injuries. To be honest, I'm not impressed with anyone over Mitch after the first 2. And Mitch has beat a decent amount of them this year already, head to head.
 

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I'm not really down on Mitch at this point, I was really happy with him this last week. I think we can win a Super Bowl with him. But I don't see why you guys do this to yourselves. Anyone can see where these writers are coming from by pulling up the QB stat sheets. Mitch is in the bottom half of - and a lot times - in the 20's in most categories. Take off the tin-foil hat and enjoy our team.

I just looked thru them and even something I would have been confident that he'd be ranked high at, completion percentage, he was 24th on NFL.com. And I love how everyone has been down on QBR for years, but now suddenly, when Trubisky's is high, I can see people being tempted to run away with that as a solid indicator.
 

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"I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING" Could have stopped there.
 

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This guy knows Wentz has the goods because he "led a championship caliber team". No he hasn't, Foles led the championship caliber unit.

I'm just as unsure about Trubisky as this guy, but to have Darnold/Mariota/Winston/Rosen/Prescott well ahead of him is hilarious. I would have him right ahead of Prescott, simply because he's just as good as him and far less experienced.
 

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Think Mitch has already proven he’s a quality starter this season. The only question should be does he reach his full potential.
 

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Think Mitch has already proven he’s a quality starter this season. The only question should be does he reach his full potential.

That's where I wonder what the consensus fan perspective is going to be. Do posters really expect him to move into the 5 to 10 QB range in his third year? Is that even possible for a guy who's in the twenty-something in a lot of categories? I think a realistic expectation is a 2nd tier QB in the 15 range.

I have a feeling even the rabid Mitch supporters are banking too much on a big turn around next year and will be disappointed. He may always be in that Mariotta, Winston, Dak Prescott range. When year four comes up are people going to turn on him when we have 1st round draft picks again and could make a play for a first rounder?
 

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Lmao at Winston and Mariota that high. Those guys are borderline starters, let alone not franchise QBs.
 

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Surprised people are still high on Darnold. He was good, but I never got the "surefire franchise QB™" stuff out of USC. He was a turnover machine and still remains a turnover machine, and that long release still appears to not do him any favors when its anything over 15 yards.
 

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That's where I wonder what the consensus fan perspective is going to be. Do posters really expect him to move into the 5 to 10 QB range in his third year? Is that even possible for a guy who's in the twenty-something in a lot of categories? I think a realistic expectation is a 2nd tier QB in the 15 range.

I have a feeling even the rabid Mitch supporters are banking too much on a big turn around next year and will be disappointed. He may always be in that Mariotta, Winston, Dak Prescott range. When year four comes up are people going to turn on him when we have 1st round draft picks again and could make a play for a first rounder?

Where I see Mitch improveing fastest is the areas that are most difficult. His pocket presence, seeing the field and making the smart decisions. That’s where many great talents fail... all the ability in the world and never excell. Time will of course always tell... but I’m guessing Mitch will be a top tier QB sooner than later and the position will not be an issue in Chicago for the next decade.
 

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