CHIBEAR
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pace and nagy are desperate, and a young QB buys them at least another year. they’ll trade up even if they have to over pay.
a young qb buys them nothing .
pace and nagy are desperate, and a young QB buys them at least another year. they’ll trade up even if they have to over pay.
I'm not sure Jared Goff represented the same value to every team. For the Lions he's kind of a positive asset since they are not really in a competitive window and he represents a pretty good bridge quarterback. That's certainly presents some value, definitely not a negative asset that needs to be offset with a first round pick. This gets into some nitty gritty trade value considerations, but I think its fair to say most people were surprised by the haul Detroit got.Let's really compare the two deals:
Eagles got:
- 2021 3rd rounder (84th overall)
- 2022 2nd rounder that can become a first if Wentz plays in 75%+ of the snaps OR if he plays in 70%+ of snaps and the Colts make the playoffs.
Colts play in the same division as the Titans, Texans and Jags. IMHO they are the best team, so have a good chance of making the playoffs. I'm thinking this has a higher than 50% chance to be a lower 2022 first rounder.
Lions got:
- 2021 third-round draft pick (88th overall)
- 2022 first-round draft pick
- 2023 first-round draft pick - This was considered as needed to offset taking on Goff's contract
- QB Jared Goff - He was considered a negative asset in the trade (like Brock Osweiler, but more expensive).
So when the Eagles were saying a 'Stafford type return' for Wentz they obviously were not in a position to take on the Goff contract, so the focal point was the 1st and the 3rd. The media looked at the Stafford deal as 2 first, a 3rd and a player while the reality was it was more like 2 separate trades being Stafford for a 1st and a 3rd along with Goff and a 2023 first to offset his contract.
if you say soa young qb buys them nothing .
Yes, if you follow Pace and his 'philosophy'...we will trade our 1st for Watts!Naw, so many options still available
I actually think Wentz wanting to leave boiled down to two things:It seems Wentz feels betrayed by fans, teammates, coaches, and ownership to me.
I can't blame him for wanting to avoid the same situation with the Bears even though I personally believe our ownership is classier than either Philly or Indy, but that Wentz is a better fit for Indiana/Pence land than he is for Chicago/Obama land.
No doubt the guy can talk to Peyton Manning as well and has been in the league long enough to know the geography.
Who are you going to draft?Happy for colts! I would rather keep picks. Sign fitz draft a qb and develop him!
Now that I think about it... The Colts trading for Wentz also means I wonder why Watson wouldn't want to go to the Colts, they would be one of the best teams to go to that needs a QB, between them and the Bears, I would say the only teams with enough talent to be a playoff threat with an Average QB, if we are going be last year alone. Guess he don't like Indy...
But if he wants to WIN, Colts honestly be at the top of my list, is I was him...
But if he wanted to stay out of the AFC.... Bears, Saints would top my list... and I'm not thinking of Cap room at a time like this since Brees seems to be heading out the door.
LOL! The Texans might be stupid, but they are not trading Watson to someone in the division.
Eli Manning on draft day?It's really interesting. I know in the NBA players have a lot more power. They can force their teams to trade them and even tell them where they want to go. If that's what really happened in the Wentz deal then it's probably the first time I can recall this happening in the NFL.
NFL players have forced themselves out of a city (like Ramsey), but I haven't seen them pick the location as well.
I guess Elway also did that to eventually become a Bronco.Eli Manning on draft day?
I wasn't thinking like that, my bad, caught me with my pants down forgetting that. My BLOL! The Texans might be stupid, but they are not trading Watson to someone in the division.