Ryan Poles emphasizes Chicago Bears will help Justin Fields “succeed”

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Get back to the packers forums grandpa you're lost. If you're an actual bears fan you'd agree we need more protection for fields or another go to receiver so he doesn't turn into a punch drunk QB.
Maybe u should go cheer for a different team, since you’re the unhappy one with how the Bears are choosing to build. Or at least leave ccs alone instead of looking like morons constantly…
 

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You’re an idiot.
Calling him an idiot for stating that our O line and WR are less than good? Come on man. If you are shallow enough to think Poles has supported Fields or the O line and WR core is on par with the average NFL team then I have nothing for you.

Are you one of those that blindly support everyone? LOL. Be objective.
 

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Mabe actually listen what Poles said. He explains this
maybe you should actually read my post?

I literally said "Actions speak louder than words" and your advice is to "listen to his words"? lol

Listening to "coach speak" is pointless
 

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Maybe u should go cheer for a different team, since you’re the unhappy one with how the Bears are choosing to build. Or at least leave ccs alone instead of looking like morons constantly…
Dude not everyone just switches who they root for just because they don't like a move or two the organization makes, like you literally did when you stopped being a lions fan, and come here to post this weird homer shit.

Gosh how can someone lack this much self awareness? ?
 

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I'm certainly not going to pick the hill to die on that Poles somehow "knows" Fields is the guy, but the people pushing the whole "Poles doesn't believe in Fields" are showing a willful detachment from reality.

Its not hard to grasp, and now even Poles has cleared it up, but people when we get to the point where people believe clickbait journalism over the person responsible himself for making that decision, in a situation where he has ZERO reason to lie about it, you've effectively crossed the Rubicon into the land of willfully ignorant stupidity, never to return.


*From the beginning, Poles said this whole thing will take time.
*Poles has said Justin is the guy, they like his traits, and they will build around him
*Included Justin in the watching of tape when scouting WRs for the draft, and drafted the guy JUSTIN LIKED THE MOST.
*Poles has on a number of occasions admitted that it will take MORE than one year to finish building around Fields, let alone complete the team.

Yet in spite of this, and listening to this, people would rather believe clickbait journalists peddling in Bears fear porn that re-enforce their own dissatisfaction with the draft than believe the GM who in this situation has zero reason to lie.

Downvote me all you want - yall who want to keep believing that shit are really fucking stupid. Like the Bears version of my idiotic "The Storm is Coming" post, but times 20. Like if Forrest Gump and Amber Heard had a baby with down syndrome, dropped it on its head 5 times, and never taught their child to read, dumb (or if you prefer cliff notes, you're essentially @Anytime23 ).

Please show me where this was said.
 

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I'll believe it when I see it.
I find it hard to believe that the plan is now to load up on oline that already has 1/3 that will need cut with more high end oline so that we will need to cut every one of those 6s and 7s that we just traded down for.
But I'll believe it when I see it. In the least that seems like a very bad draft plan and he wasted 4 picks.

I'm giving the Bears until the season. I may find a different team or I may stop watching any football again. But if something doesn't happen to let me know the Bears are serious about having an offense I'm done with this loser team at least until the McCaskeys are completely out of the picture.
 

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I'm certainly not going to pick the hill to die on that Poles somehow "knows" Fields is the guy, but the people pushing the whole "Poles doesn't believe in Fields" are showing a willful detachment from reality.

Its not hard to grasp, and now even Poles has cleared it up, but people when we get to the point where people believe clickbait journalism over the person responsible himself for making that decision, in a situation where he has ZERO reason to lie about it, you've effectively crossed the Rubicon into the land of willfully ignorant stupidity, never to return.


*From the beginning, Poles said this whole thing will take time.
*Poles has said Justin is the guy, they like his traits, and they will build around him
*Included Justin in the watching of tape when scouting WRs for the draft, and drafted the guy JUSTIN LIKED THE MOST.
*Poles has on a number of occasions admitted that it will take MORE than one year to finish building around Fields, let alone complete the team.

Yet in spite of this, and listening to this, people would rather believe clickbait journalists peddling in Bears fear porn that re-enforce their own dissatisfaction with the draft than believe the GM who in this situation has zero reason to lie.

Downvote me all you want - yall who want to keep believing that shit are really fucking stupid. Like the Bears version of my idiotic "The Storm is Coming" post, but times 20. Like if Forrest Gump and Amber Heard had a baby with down syndrome, dropped it on its head 5 times, and never taught their child to read, dumb (or if you prefer cliff notes, you're essentially @Anytime23 ).
Holy shit this was a very long post with zero information in it. Just pure word vomit
 

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I'll believe it when I see it.
I find it hard to believe that the plan is now to load up on oline that already has 1/3 that will need cut with more high end oline so that we will need to cut every one of those 6s and 7s that we just traded down for.
But I'll believe it when I see it. In the least that seems like a very bad draft plan and he wasted 4 picks.

I'm giving the Bears until the season. I may find a different team or I may stop watching any football again. But if something doesn't happen to let me know the Bears are serious about having an offense I'm done with this loser team at least until the McCaskeys are completely out of the picture.
Watch red zone… tune in here n there. Red zone is worth it. Just casually watch for a couple years until they clean house again or get a new qb after ruining another players life.
 

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I'll believe it when I see it.
I find it hard to believe that the plan is now to load up on oline that already has 1/3 that will need cut with more high end oline so that we will need to cut every one of those 6s and 7s that we just traded down for.
But I'll believe it when I see it. In the least that seems like a very bad draft plan and he wasted 4 picks.

I'm giving the Bears until the season. I may find a different team or I may stop watching any football again. But if something doesn't happen to let me know the Bears are serious about having an offense I'm done with this loser team at least until the McCaskeys are completely out of the picture.
The OL has already been loaded up on. Make sure to take your alts and friends with you when you go…
 

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Was there a HUGE difference between the D players he picked vs the offense weapons that where on the board?


If you listen to Poles you would know that in his and the staffs opinion, the answer is yes. In addition they felt there was starting level talent for OL deep into the draft.

As for FA. He said he is active. But we are not privy to terms. So if a FA is mediocre but asking for the moon in $ and term which could effect the cap and hinder plans for next year when Bears have more cap and their may be better options, then it orobably will not happen and we msy never know about it and that he tried. There are hundreds of discussions and negotistions we never hear about. But concluding nothing is happening is wrong.
 
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Please show me where this was said.

Yeah, I think the quote was actually more along the lines of Poles and Fields watched film together and just had good open communication on how different guys would fit. I don't remember seeing anywhere that Poles said that was who Justin liked the most. I don't think they named anyone as the person he liked the most.

The player that Justin mentioned as his guy was Olave in an interview somewhere, but everyone knew that wasn't happening as Olave would be long gone.

In the post day 2 press conference, the question that prompted the answer starts around the 14:25 mark.

 

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Get back to the packers forums grandpa you're lost. If you're an actual bears fan you'd agree we need more protection for fields or another go to receiver so he doesn't turn into a punch drunk QB.
Yes we do need more help in WR and OL. Almost everyone unanimously agrees.

Where people are differing is approach. Many just think the final comprehensive solution was not the day one picks.

To question your percieved and steadfast belief that the day one draftpicks would have solved the offensive holes,

How is a 2nd round OL or WR that is not a surefire contributer in their first year going to protect Fields if you have concluded our 2nd round pick from last year (Jenkins) , who has some exp under his belt, will not be successful in protecting Fields?

How big of a dropoff in talent were the available WRs and Jones in the 3rd? Who?

Which OL and WR that were available do you think would have walked in the first year and become top players immediatley to acheive the goal of protecting Fields?

Do you think we have 4 good starters on OL? In context how is prospect picked kutside of the 1st round going to lift up an entire line?

Do you think Mooney is a solid 2 WR? Can Pringle and WR we got from GB can be 3WRs? Would a WR taken a bit earkier than Jones going makeup that big of a difference when our hole is a 1WR or at least another 2WR?

The point I want to make is that the draft this year is not going to solve all the Bears problems. Fixing the Bears will not be achieved in a single moment, but rather a culmination of many moments over thr next 2 to 3 years.

Finally, the thing that is most important of all to achieve your goal
is the existing young players need to take a step up. If they do not, then bringing in few good players will not make enough of a difference next year and the rebuild will be more like 4 to 6 years. Football is a team game so your hypothetical two 2nd round picks are not going to move the needle in one year if you think the existing team sucks so bad.
 

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Yes we do need more help in WR and OL. Almost everyone unanimously agrees.

Where people are differing is approach. Many just think the final comprehensive solution was not the day one picks.

To question your percieved and steadfast belief that the day one draftpicks would have solved the offensive holes,

How is a 2nd round OL or WR that is not a surefire contributer in their first year going to protect Fields if you have concluded our 2nd round pick from last year (Jenkins) , who has some exp under his belt, will not be successful in protecting Fields?

How big of a dropoff in talent were the available WRs and Jones in the 3rd? Who?

Which OL and WR that were available do you think would have walked in the first year and become top players immediatley to acheive the goal of protecting Fields?

Do you think we have 4 good starters on OL? In context how is prospect picked kutside of the 1st round going to lift up an entire line?

Do you think Mooney is a solid 2 WR? Can Pringle and WR we got from GB can be 3WRs? Would a WR taken a bit earkier than Jones going makeup that big of a difference when our hole is a 1WR or at least another 2WR?

The point I want to make is that the draft this year is not going to solve all the Bears problems. Fixing the Bears will not be achieved in a single moment, but rather a culmination of many moments over thr next 2 to 3 years.

Finally, the thing that is most important of all to achieve your goal
is the existing young players need to take a step up. If they do not, then bringing in few good players will not make enough of a difference next year and the rebuild will be more like 4 to 6 years. Football is a team game so your hypothetical two 2nd round picks are not going to move the needle in one year if you think the existing team sucks so bad.
Youre a bears homer and that’s okay. Not much in your post makes sense and I don’t feel like going through it. However, yes you have a greater chance of hitting on a WR the higher you go in the draft. There have been many all star wide receivers picked in the second rounds and later in drafts. So yes, I think it’s very likely one of the second round receivers picked is going to turn into a number 1 or at least a very good number 2. That player can help Fields take necessary steps in year 2, and also help replace Mooney when his contract is up for renewal, let Mooney go to the number 3 WR, or be a number 1 as many second round WR do.

Final thought - if Fields plays as bad this year as last year with arguably worse talent on offense around him, then there’s a chance he’s either ruined or the Bears move on if they have a high pick. You can’t just go full bears football and let your quarterback get murdered with no one to throw to and no offensive line, and expect he’s just going to magically improve. That can ruin a QB as we have seen many talented QB’s ruined before by terrible organizations. It’s not really good enough to just say, if the QB is any good, he will overcome our historically terrible organization. That’s not how it has to be, just because the GM wants to nerd out on the defensive picks.
 

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Yeah, I think the quote was actually more along the lines of Poles and Fields watched film together and just had good open communication on how different guys would fit. I don't remember seeing anywhere that Poles said that was who Justin liked the most. I don't think they named anyone as the person he liked the most.

The player that Justin mentioned as his guy was Olave in an interview somewhere, but everyone knew that wasn't happening as Olave would be long gone.

In the post day 2 press conference, the question that prompted the answer starts around the 14:25 mark.


This is what I was looking for—Thanks much. I hadn’t recalled Poles saying Fields’ favorite was Velus Jones, just that they watched film together and talked about the different WR prospects, and that Jones was among the prospects they watched together. Big difference between that and saying Jones was Fields’ favorite.

As I’ve said before on these boards, it doesn’t seem honest to use Fields and Poles’ conversation to prove our own points, because we literally have no idea what that conversation was like.

It’s possible Fields said, “Sir, I have to tell you about this guy out of Tennessee I really love.” It’s also possible Jones was one of many, many prospects they looked at who Fields said, “Yeah, looks good.” It’s possible Poles said, “Do you like this Jones guy?” and Fields said, “Meh, he’s O.K. He’s fine.”

We have no idea how that conversation went, so to use it to score points isn’t intellectually honest.

As to MJY being so angry, meh, people here get passionate. That’s fine. I’ll argue about football, but I never make it personal, and I never take it personally. I think it’s completely reasonable to ask where someone got information that no one’s ever heard of. MJY disagrees. That’s fine.
 

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