Ryan Poles Head Coaching Interviews....

[ThatGuyRyan]

run and shoot said:


I think when Manning went down Caldwell had some garbage Qb. I'd have to look him up. If ya look at Caldwell's resume it's one of success vs failure. Plus he brings HC experience.


Actually we don't know why he stepped down

Curtis Painter was one of them lol

 

[ZenBear34]

He was a big reason the Ravens won the SB that year

Was he also a big reason their offense was terrible the next season?

 

[MikeDitkaPolishSausage]

I think the point was perhaps we should wait and see if Quinn gets the job and who he hires if he does.

That could be said about this entire thread

 

[thenewguy]

Last month might have been an all time month for meltdowns. My first trip to Buffalo featured at least half a dozen different poster meltdowns. The Bears may have disappointed this past season but CCS did not!

But the beauty of the official thread winner is the poster who has a small meltdown, like every 4 posts, and paints that thread with a level of football stupid you can rarely find, but still to this day doesn't understand it's a running joke on him. Magic

 

[remydat]

Was he also a big reason their offense was terrible the next season?

Let's say that he was. Is your argument that wining a SB one year and missing the playoffs the next is not a successful two year run? Do you expect him to be able to win back to back SBs as if so which candidate are we looking at where that criteria applies?

He has won two Super Bowls with Peyton Manning and Joe Flacco. That is as successful as you are going to get as an OC outside of Josh McDaniels and even better than McDaniels given has has done it with 2 separate QBs one of which has generally been quite mediocre overall.

 

[remydat]

That could be said about this entire thread

Not really. This thread is sharing information about the coaching search. You are making proclamations about how that search will turn out without any real insight. I for example have made no proclamations in this thread about anyone. I will wait to see who they hire and the staff that person puts together because I am self aware enough to know that none of us have a fucking clue which of these coaches is destined for success or failure.

 

[run and shoot]

But u can say that about any HC with the good Qb. Right?

Definitely can. But there are other HCs out there who still led their teams to successful season when the starting (good) QB went down. Caldwell is not part of that group. I’d be more interested in Caldwell as the OC, not HC.

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Plus ya gotta give Caldwell credit for the job he did in Detroit. The Lions haven't done anything since. Fact

 

[Anytime23]

He was a big reason the Ravens won the SB that year

That year Joe Flacco made me ask this question about QBs in the playoffs. "Do I think this QB can put together 3-4 mistake free games and help their team win a title?" I thought about Cutler and said not a chance.

Flacco was on his shit that year. It took a little luck but he was impressive on that run. But i'll play devils advocate, over the course of that season, Flacco was Flacco. Caldwell just happened to be there. Sort of like when Erik Lambert credited Hackett with Ortons best season. It was Orton being Orton.

He def deserves credit for being a prominent member of their coaching staff during that run but did he really do anything to improve Joe Flacco?

 

[MikeDitkaPolishSausage]

Not really. This thread is sharing information about the coaching search. You are making proclamations about how that search will turn out without any real insight. I for example have made no proclamations in this thread about anyone. I will wait to see who they hire and the staff that person puts together because I am self aware enough to know that none of us have a fucking clue which of these coaches is destined for success or failure.

News flash bro. Many posters are making proclamations about how the search might turn out. This thread is about is about head coach interviews and with head coaches comes OCs and DCs.

 

[MikeDitkaPolishSausage]

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Plus ya gotta give Caldwell credit for the job he did in Detroit. The Lions haven't done anything since. Fact

I’m not disagreeing with you but if he is juggling both HC and OC there is a great chance we see a bottom tier offense.

 

[remydat]

That year Joe Flacco made me ask this question about QBs in the playoffs. "Do I think this QB can put together 3-4 mistake free games and help their team win a title?" I thought about Cutler and said not a chance.

Flacco was on his shit that year. It took a little luck but he was impressive on that run. But i'll play devils advocate, over the course of that season, Flacco was Flacco. Caldwell just happened to be there. Sort of like when Erik Lambert credited Hackett with Ortons best season. It was Orton being Orton.

He def deserves credit for being a prominent member of their coaching staff during that run but did he really do anything to improve Joe Flacco?

Not quite. Cam Cameron was the OC for the majority of the regular season. He was fired on Dec 10 and Caldwell took over. They averaged 25 PPG over the course of that whole season but then averaged 27 PPG over Caldwell's 7 games and 31 PPG over the 4 playoff games. So there was clearly an uptick once he took over.

And the reality is that unless you have a franchise QB, it will generally come down to whether you can catch lightening in the bottle and get it right at exactly the right time. Caldwell did that and there is not point downplaying it.

 

[remydat]

News flash bro. Many posters are making proclamations about how the search might turn out. This thread is about is about head coach interviews and with head coaches comes OCs and DCs.

Yes and I have responded to them as well as I have pushed back on people whining about Caldwell and Quinn. We simply don't know. We simply don't know.

 

[Rise]

Only reason I prefer Quinn to Caldwell is staff. I’m wondering who will join Caldwell he has been out of the game for a while. Regardless that’s what matters most to me, if the staff is bad the team will be undisciplined and bad.

If Fields is good he will make up for some of it, but not all.

 

[run and shoot]

I’m not disagreeing with you but if he is juggling both HC and OC there is a great chance we see a bottom tier offense.

Right, so he needs someone on the level of a Pep Hamilton as OC.

 

[bears51/40]

Understood. But certainly every candidate came in with a "plan" for Fields. A first round choice that struggled his first year, anybody with a brain knows that is a talking point.

What I am say is show me a candidate who HAS developed QBs. Caldwell, Quinn and Eberflus don't fit that role at all.

All plans are not created equal...........like Nagy's plan for Trubisky. It is up to Poles to pick the right coach who has the best plan for Fields. That might be a defensive guy who plans to bring in the right OC. At this point no one knows but Poles.

 

[Anytime23]

Not quite. Cam Cameron was the OC for the majority of the regular season. He was fired on Dec 10 and Caldwell took over. They averaged 25 PPG over the course of that whole season but then averaged 27 PPG over Caldwell's 7 games and 31 PPG over the 4 playoff games. So there was clearly an uptick once he took over.

And the reality is that unless you have a franchise QB, it will generally come down to whether you can catch lightening in the bottle and get it right at exactly the right time. Caldwell did that and there is not point downplaying it.

IDK man. Its a pretty small sample size for anything concrete. Flacco took a step back the following season with Caldwell. I like what he did with the Lions as a HC, but i have my doubts about how important he was during that stretch.

 

[MikeDitkaPolishSausage]

Yes and I have responded to them as well as I have pushed back on people whining about Caldwell and Quinn. We simply don't know. We simply don't know.

You are right, we don’t know. But this thread is to discuss it. Whats the point of having this thread if we can’t talk about it?

 

[MikeDitkaPolishSausage]

Right, so he needs someone on the level of a Pep Hamilton as OC.

That would be a good hire.

 

[r1terrell23]

All plans are not created equal...........like Nagy's plan for Trubisky. It is up to Poles to pick the right coach who has the best plan for Fields. That might be a defensive guy who plans to bring in the right OC. At this point no one knows but Poles.

If the right OC Quinn picks actually has Fields on track next year, he is gone to be a coach.

 

[run and shoot]

Look up Pep Hamilton. Hamiton was GM and HC in the XFL. And he has a excellent Qb development background , i.e. Luck, Herbert and Davie Mills

He did a bang up job with Sexy Rexy back in the day in Chicago as well.

Rex got injured. So Hamilton and Turner rolled with Orton in 08