Shift in OL Scheme

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If you want to understand the Jenkins and Borom picks the below is a good primer.

When Nagy took over, he tried to diversify the running game with more “gap” scheme plays, which is a more downhill style of rushing where the blocking opens up one specific lane for the running back to attack.

These runs tend to involve a pulling offensive lineman to lead block in the designated hole, and they are not built for a running back to make any type of cutback.

Nagy tried to plug Howard into the gap scheme running game, and it proved to be a poor fit for his playing style.



Jordan Howard was a one cut runner in the mold of a Shanny RB. This worked with our finesse blockers because even if they were overpowered in the initial hole, the zone blocking typically opened up a hole and Howard had the vision to cut back. Nagy tried to move to more gap or power schemes because they helped disguise the RPO more but the problem was the OL sucked at winning at the point of attack and the gap blocking meant there was not as much cutback lanes for Howard to exploit.

Monty is a good RB with power and the ability to break tackles but his vision is poor. He generally likes to hit the hole as the play is designed and then break or elude tacklers. That again was not a good fit for blockers that were more zone blockers and did not possess the power and the nastiness to win at the point of attack consistently.

Now cue Jenkins and Borom who along with Kmet on the strong side can now win more matchups in a power/gap scheme and allow Monty to do what he does best ie hit the hole as intended and then break or elude tackles. The Bears aren't going to go to exclusively power and gap which is why the C and left side of the line will likely still feature guys more suited to zone but the Bears will now have a mix of OL where they can run more power and gap on the right side and zone on the left. They can also have the more nimble guys like Daniels or Whitehair pull to the right side with Jenkins and Borom capable of holding down the fort on the right side until reinforcements arrive to help lead Monty through the hole. We can also hopefully when more in short yardage on the right side.

The other element is that Nagy can run the RPO more effectively with the gap/power schemes disguising it more and with a QB that is adept at running the RPO and also can win with both his arm and his feet. In short, this draft appears to be about aligning the OL, RB, and QB with the scheme Nagy always wanted to run but didn't have the pieces to do so.
 

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If you want to understand the Jenkins and Borom picks the below is a good primer.

When Nagy took over, he tried to diversify the running game with more “gap” scheme plays, which is a more downhill style of rushing where the blocking opens up one specific lane for the running back to attack.

These runs tend to involve a pulling offensive lineman to lead block in the designated hole, and they are not built for a running back to make any type of cutback.

Nagy tried to plug Howard into the gap scheme running game, and it proved to be a poor fit for his playing style.



Jordan Howard was a one cut runner in the mold of a Shanny RB. This worked with our finesse blockers because even if they were overpowered in the initial hole, the zone blocking typically opened up a hole and Howard had the vision to cut back. Nagy tried to move to more gap or power schemes because they helped disguise the RPO more but the problem was the OL sucked at winning at the point of attack and the gap blocking meant there was not as much cutback lanes for Howard to exploit.

Monty is a good RB with power and the ability to break tackles but his vision is poor. He generally likes to hit the hole as the play is designed and then break or elude tacklers. That again was not a good fit for blockers that were more zone blockers and did not possess the power and the nastiness to win at the point of attack consistently.

Now cue Jenkins and Borom who along with Kmet on the strong side can now win more matchups in a power/gap scheme and allow Monty to do what he does best ie hit the hole as intended and then break or elude tackles. The Bears aren't going to go to exclusively power and gap which is why the C and left side of the line will likely still feature guys more suited to zone but the Bears will now have a mix of OL where they can run more power and gap on the right side and zone on the left. They can also have the more nimble guys like Daniels or Whitehair pull to the right side with Jenkins and Borom capable of holding down the fort on the right side until reinforcements arrive to help lead Monty through the hole. We can also hopefully when more in short yardage on the right side.

The other element is that Nagy can run the RPO more effectively with the gap/power schemes disguising it more and with a QB that is adept at running the RPO and also can win with both his arm and his feet. In short, this draft appears to be about aligning the OL, RB, and QB with the scheme Nagy always wanted to run but didn't have the pieces to do so.

I think having a true FB is important to this.
 

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If you want to understand the Jenkins and Borom picks the below is a good primer.

When Nagy took over, he tried to diversify the running game with more “gap” scheme plays, which is a more downhill style of rushing where the blocking opens up one specific lane for the running back to attack.

These runs tend to involve a pulling offensive lineman to lead block in the designated hole, and they are not built for a running back to make any type of cutback.

Nagy tried to plug Howard into the gap scheme running game, and it proved to be a poor fit for his playing style.



Jordan Howard was a one cut runner in the mold of a Shanny RB. This worked with our finesse blockers because even if they were overpowered in the initial hole, the zone blocking typically opened up a hole and Howard had the vision to cut back. Nagy tried to move to more gap or power schemes because they helped disguise the RPO more but the problem was the OL sucked at winning at the point of attack and the gap blocking meant there was not as much cutback lanes for Howard to exploit.

Monty is a good RB with power and the ability to break tackles but his vision is poor. He generally likes to hit the hole as the play is designed and then break or elude tacklers. That again was not a good fit for blockers that were more zone blockers and did not possess the power and the nastiness to win at the point of attack consistently.

Now cue Jenkins and Borom who along with Kmet on the strong side can now win more matchups in a power/gap scheme and allow Monty to do what he does best ie hit the hole as intended and then break or elude tackles. The Bears aren't going to go to exclusively power and gap which is why the C and left side of the line will likely still feature guys more suited to zone but the Bears will now have a mix of OL where they can run more power and gap on the right side and zone on the left. They can also have the more nimble guys like Daniels or Whitehair pull to the right side with Jenkins and Borom capable of holding down the fort on the right side until reinforcements arrive to help lead Monty through the hole. We can also hopefully when more in short yardage on the right side.

The other element is that Nagy can run the RPO more effectively with the gap/power schemes disguising it more and with a QB that is adept at running the RPO and also can win with both his arm and his feet. In short, this draft appears to be about aligning the OL, RB, and QB with the scheme Nagy always wanted to run but didn't have the pieces to do so.

Yeah...enough hybrid shit...this guy running this other system, tayloring this to that, running half this half heistand half oregon...

come on.

Build Nagy's vision for Fields and pick the team to fit.
 

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Successful managers learn to use the talents of their staff.
Nagy seems to be the opposite.
He wants the staff to align with HIS desires.
Nagy doesn't seem to adjust well. In his scheme and his in game adjustments.
nagy most definitely changed the offense to fit his shitty QBs last season
 

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Successful managers learn to use the talents of their staff.
Nagy seems to be the opposite.
He wants the staff to align with HIS desires.
Nagy doesn't seem to adjust well. In his scheme and his in game adjustments.
I agree but in the NFL you can also pick the players that do what you want to do well.
 

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So why didn’t pace get what Naggy needed from day one? Seems like another excuse for Naggy. Especially since there are posters here that think Naggy is making the draft picks….
 

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Trubs wasnt as advertised. He excelled with hitting guys in stride and RPOs in college but then the shoulder injury turned him into a bitch.

So Nagy was in a no mans land where he lacked the knowledge outside of Reid's system and trying to redesign an O to fit a QB that ended up being a poor fit while knowing that as soon as he dumped Mitch he was going to go back to trying to implement his system.

So he couldnt completely ababdon players for his system and couldnt completely commit to players for a system that would not outlive Trubisky's time with the Bears.
 

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I think this is a shift in expectations for the OL.

Be better, be more physical, or get the hell of the field.
 

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In a nutshell, Nagy is still a stubborn prick and will never be a true winner by not adapting.
 

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So why didn’t pace get what Naggy needed from day one? Seems like another excuse for Naggy. Especially since there are posters here that think Naggy is making the draft picks….
Trubisky was pick before Nagy arrived..
 

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In a nutshell, Nagy is still a stubborn prick and will never be a true winner by not adapting.

Do you think Shanny adapts his offense for shitty QBs or do you think he wants guys that fit his O?
 

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Do you think Shanny adapts his offense for shitty QBs or do you think he wants guys that fit his O
Not to budge in here but…you really comparing shanny to Nagy?
 

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There was a lack of aggressiveness on the oline the past few years. They play tentative.
 

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Not to budge in here but…you really comparing shanny to Nagy?

I am saying coaches want to run the systems they got hired to run. That is true whether they are good or shitty.
 

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I am saying coaches want to run the systems they got hired to run. That is true whether they are good or shitty.
True. No doubt. There’s also coaches who don’t look like clowns when they don’t get all their toys
 

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True. No doubt. There’s also coaches who don’t look like clowns when they don’t get all their toys

Sure but few of them had as little to work with than Trubs. Lazor literally had to design a Fischer Price My First Offense for him.
 

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Sure but few of them had as little to work with than Trubs. Lazor literally had to design a Fischer Price My First Offense for him.
Took lazor to do it though. Nagy couldn’t adapt and kept trying to put a square peg in a round hole. Trubs sucks, but Nagy did a lot of shit outside of that to not feel good about him. Play calling, situational awareness, personnel…all terrible and can’t put that all on the QB
 

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I'm excited as to where this offensive line is currently versus where it was around Week 9 or 10 last year. With the holes they had up front and wasting Whitehair at Center while having Foles not being able to move at QB....it may have been the worst the OL has ever looked during that 6 game losing streak.

With Jenkins looking like a mauler at RT...the interior looked great last year with Bars, Mustipher and Whitehair rightfully at G- I' m excited. I believe Daniels will come back and be a beast on the other side of Whitehair and Leno is average/adequate at LT. Bars and Ifedi can offer depth while seeing what we may have in Borom as he develops. Hopefully Jenkins develops into what we all want him to and can slide him to LT, but thats a pipedream at this point.

The state of the OL next season will have as much to do as Fields' development when he's actually allowed to start IMO. If the OL is anywhere near the dumpster fire it was at times last season-I don't want to see Fields anywhere near playing. However- if it improves on where it finished last year and hes coming along in his development and the coaching staff feels he's ready...the OL could help us see Fields sooner rather than later IMO.
 

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