Should the Blackhawks Trade Kane and Toews?

[spew39]

Should the Blackhawks Trade Kane and Toews?

 

[Bust]

Jonny "Chicken Pox" Toes has no trade value.

In fact if the Hawks released him no one would pick him up

 

[KBIB]

Jonny "Chicken Pox" Toes has no trade value.

In fact if the Hawks released him no one would pick him up

Oh he would get picked up for nothing.

But he has absolutely no trade value any more.

 

[Diehardfan]

Oh he would get picked up for nothing.

But he has absolutely no trade value any more.

I wouldn't say none but the little bit of interest he would draw wouldn't be worth moving him.....Hawks would have to pay good sized portion of his salary to move him as well. They might as well let him play it out. Kane on the other hand is a different story.....but that won't last forever either.

 

[Raskolnikov]

Oh he would get picked up for nothing.

But he has absolutely no trade value any more.

He means he would clear waivers.

 

[gopher72]

What is DeBrincat without Kane?

 

[KBIB]

What is DeBrincat without Kane?

A really good hockey player.

 

[Raskolnikov]

The question is and will remain “should Kane and Toews request a trade.? They hold the power, only they can answer for their desires.

Any other discussion is disingenuous click-bait.

 

[RacerX]

I wouldn't say none but the little bit of interest he would draw wouldn't be worth moving him.....Hawks would have to pay good sized portion of his salary to move him as well. They might as well let him play it out. Kane on the other hand is a different story.....but that won't last forever either.

Yes, Toews has significant trade value, but it is all negative value. No one gonna take him on at that salary, it is an albatross, I really hope he hangs it up this off-season and departs with his remaining health and dignity.

 

[LordKOTL]

Yes, Toews has significant trade value, but it is all negative value. No one gonna take him on at that salary, it is an albatross, I really hope he hangs it up this off-season and departs with his remaining health and dignity.

Playing Devil's advocate here:

If Toews were to retire in the offseason, would be leaving 6.9M on the table.

Let's assume for a moment that Toews is seriously considering either retiring this summer or when his contract is up. Does he leave $6.9M on the table? That would be competing with Health and Dignity.

If he still wants that 6.9M he'll have to LTIRetirment himself like Seabrook (no recapture risk), which would mean either the 'hawks or some team take on his salary and he has to be on the books for opening day of the 2023 season for any team to use the LTIR overage. Given how depleted the 'hawks are this might not be a bad thing especially for positioning themselves for a high pick next season.

Or, if he feels he can still play maybe he rides out into the sunset next season; with a possibility of moving at the TDL for one more shot.

Or, maybe he wants to play beyond this current deal.

As @Raskolnikov said and I've said many times before, he controls his NMC so if he doesn't want to go anywhere the discussion is moot.

However, assuming he does want to be moved I agree his deal will have negative value, and in that event the 'hawks have to be very careful about what they take back; Toews' deal ends after the 2023 season so it doesn't make much sense taking on an albatross contract that will last longer than his would last.

 

[KBIB]

The only way I see Toews retiring is if they say they’re sending him to the A.

And that’s not going to happen. The Hawks are better off next year with Toews stinking up the hawks in their quest for Bedard.

Which is why I’m on board for resigning CDH, Gus, and letting Mitchell and Beaudin be a pairing next year on one years. Hell give Strome a one year too.

Shit, see if Chelios wants to play one more season.

But I hate to say it, but I think the Hawks are winning the lottery this year…..

 

[HSBOB]

What is DeBrincat without Kane?

Where is this play without another outstanding D-Cat effort along the boards and BEAUT of a pass?.....

Kane knots it up on 2-on-1 rush | Chicago Blackhawks

CHI@NSH: Kane slips shot under Saros's pads

www.nhl.com

How many helpers does Kane have this year if it's Kubalik heelin' pucks into the netting instead of D-Cat poundin' em to the back of the net?

 

[HSBOB]

Playing Devil's advocate here:

If Toews were to retire in the offseason, would be leaving 6.9M on the table.

Let's assume for a moment that Toews is seriously considering either retiring this summer or when his contract is up. Does he leave $6.9M on the table? That would be competing with Health and Dignity.

If he still wants that 6.9M he'll have to LTIRetirment himself like Seabrook (no recapture risk), which would mean either the 'hawks or some team take on his salary and he has to be on the books for opening day of the 2023 season for any team to use the LTIR overage. Given how depleted the 'hawks are this might not be a bad thing especially for positioning themselves for a high pick next season.

Or, if he feels he can still play maybe he rides out into the sunset next season; with a possibility of moving at the TDL for one more shot.

Or, maybe he wants to play beyond this current deal.

As @Raskolnikov said and I've said many times before, he controls his NMC so if he doesn't want to go anywhere the discussion is moot.

However, assuming he does want to be moved I agree his deal will have negative value, and in that event the 'hawks have to be very careful about what they take back; Toews' deal ends after the 2023 season so it doesn't make much sense taking on an albatross contract that will last longer than his would last.

Retain half and maybe one of this year's PO failures parts with a 2nd this summer,I believe JT waives. People can barf up all disrespectful criticism they want but the guy's winning about 60% of his draws and has had bums or rookies w/o a NHL goal to their name for linemates this year.
I miss few Panther games and 34yro Claude Giroux who was havin' a blah season in Philly is a 'born again STUD' down in Fla. A change of scenery can be good for a vet but talented linemates is even better.

We can continue to pay 31yro T. Johnson and his plastic vertebrae 5M for two more years and nobody'll notice or Brent 'buyout' Connolly 3.5M to be the richest man in Rockford and nobody'll give a shit BUT pay a guy who brought glory to the team......fuck outta here!LOFL!

 

[Raskolnikov]

Even Michael Jordan wasn’t himself after 15 months off.

Like with Goldman on the Bears, Toews should be given another year before we judge what his comeback story is.

I see no harm in his being a third line center and face off specialist. There is value in that to the team just not his contract value, but it should be said nobody in the league other than Kane and Keith and Crosby and Doughty and Malkin have earned their pay as well as Toews.

 

[Bust]

Yes, Toews has significant trade value, but it is all negative value. No one gonna take him on at that salary, it is an albatross, I really hope he hangs it up this off-season and departs with his remaining health and dignity.

Toes only got 14 minutes of ice time last game. Looks like King has noticed the weak link as well.

 

[LordKOTL]

Retain half and maybe one of this year's PO failures parts with a 2nd this summer,I believe JT waives. People can barf up all disrespectful criticism they want but the guy's winning about 60% of his draws and has had bums or rookies w/o a NHL goal to their name for linemates this year.
I miss few Panther games and 34yro Claude Giroux who was havin' a blah season in Philly is a 'born again STUD' down in Fla. A change of scenery can be good for a vet but talented linemates is even better.

We can continue to pay 31yro T. Johnson and his plastic vertebrae 5M for two more years and nobody'll notice or Brent 'buyout' Connolly 3.5M to be the richest man in Rockford and nobody'll give a shit BUT pay a guy who brought glory to the team......fuck outta here!LOFL!

I think you got me wrong.

"Just retire..."

Would you leave $6.9M on the table knowing that you'll never have that earning power ever again in your life at age 35? I wouldn't. If Toews doens't want to play after this summer, it's LTIRetirement like Seabrook.

To your point, Toews isn't the weak link of the 'hawks. The D is. The coaching is. The team is screwed 8 ways from Sunday for years to come. His salary isn't the difference between contending and not next year, and beyond we can cross that bridge when we drive under it (as Ted Kennedy would say). There's worse pieces in the lineup: Jones, McCabe, Tyler Johnson, and others which Bowman the Beancounter completely fukkored the team with for years to come since they are effectively immovable for years.

 

[Granada]

This is a pretty easy question: you move both players if the return makes sense, if you don't have to move any prospects (particularly, high-end prospects) with either, and if you don't have to eat a ton of salary.

Toews: you try to move him at any time, but chances are, you'll either have to eat salary and/or attach a sweetner -- so considering it's his last year, you may as well just keep him until the deadline, when it might be easier to move him. If you can't move him at deadline, it doesn't matter, because salary will not be a concern for this team anytime soon because they're rebuilding and again, it's his final year.

Kane: you keep him if he's willing to take a cut to stay here and if he's willing to stay for no more than 3-years max. If he isn't and/or he wants long-term, you move him.

 

[RacerX]

A proper rebuild would ship out both Toews and Kane while retaining 50-100% of their salaries, and haul in a return of picks and prospects in exchange.

As others have pointed out, we are not going to win with or without them, it's time to exploit and extort cap-restrained or Cup-chasing teams for their future talent. Kind of the flip-side of what other teams did to our Cup rosters.

 

[Diehardfan]

A proper rebuild would ship out both Toews and Kane while retaining 50-100% of their salaries, and haul in a return of picks and prospects in exchange.

As others have pointed out, we are not going to win with or without them, it's time to exploit and extort cap-restrained or Cup-chasing teams for their future talent. Kind of the flip-side of what other teams did to our Cup rosters.

Definitely yes with Kane but as I keep saying.....the longer you wait with him, the less you will get in return. The trade clause is there of course, but other teams have found a way to work around that. As for Toews.....not sure what he would draw in assets. At this point, he's 3rd liner/PK guy who can win faceoffs. I think a wiser move would be to keep him and hope he rebuilds his career early next year and see who wants him at the deadline....if that's a no go then after 2023, you let him walk.

 

[HSBOB]

I think you got me wrong.

"Just retire..."

Would you leave $6.9M on the table knowing that you'll never have that earning power ever again in your life at age 35? I wouldn't. If Toews doens't want to play after this summer, it's LTIRetirement like Seabrook.

To your point, Toews isn't the weak link of the 'hawks. The D is. The coaching is. The team is screwed 8 ways from Sunday for years to come. His salary isn't the difference between contending and not next year, and beyond we can cross that bridge when we drive under it (as Ted Kennedy would say). There's worse pieces in the lineup: Jones, McCabe, Tyler Johnson, and others which Bowman the Beancounter completely fukkored the team with for years to come since they are effectively immovable for years.

Not sure how.........I didn't call for retirement and no way he leaves that much money on the table.

It's been a struggle but JT's still 5th in team scoring with bums for linemates and far and away it's best FO guy and defensive center. Move him for assets and retain what's necessary but it could be decades before the team sees a center of his quality but we'll have plenty of $$$ to pay Johnson's and Connolly's once he's gone .