Sure sounds like Poles is prepared to move on from Roquan Smith.

[iueyedoc]

The 5th pays higher if the player has been to the pro-bowl. As far as I know that puts Smiths up to $18.7M.

None of the criteria is as low as $9.7 for a LB.

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Smith has not been to the Pro Bowl ( AP 2nd team All Pro is not the same)so he is at does not get those escalators, thus his $9.7M salary.

 

[Bearly]

The 5th pays higher if the player has been to the pro-bowl. As far as I know that puts Smiths up to $18.7M.

None of the criteria is as low as $9.7 for a LB.

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Well, that gives him 2 options. Play for $9.7m or sign a the deal they could net him more than that 18.7M per in the current proposed extension.

I want to keep him. He can make a notable difference, even in this D but I think he's being unreasonable. There may be room to rearrange things a bit but Poles is not going to cave on this and set a precedent of paying more than he feels a player has earned.

 

[BearFanJohn]

You'd like to think Poles is serious in working to keep the team's best player.

I think he is serious. But the Bears shouldn’t over-pay. Particularly to an OLB that is just being converted from ILB in a different defense. RS is the best player but that doesn’t mean much on a team lacking talent. He isn’t a QB or a LT or a WR or an edge rusher.

 

[DrGonzo]

Meh, everything either side says to the media is part of the negotiation. Smith says the Bears are negotiating in bad faith; Poles isn't going to be flattering in his response. At the end of the day Smith made his point and now he can either shut up and play or burn $50K per day. Poles has no reason to take a lowball trade offer.

 

[baselman1974]

Well, that gives him 2 options. Play for $9.7m or sign a the deal they could net him more than that 18.7M per in the current proposed extension.

I want to keep him. He can make a notable difference, even in this D but I think he's being unreasonable. There may be room to rearrange things a bit but Poles is not going to cave on this and set a precedent of paying more than he feels a player has earned.

That’s why $20 mil a year is a fair and honest offer. Not break the bank offer like Leonard , Warner, or Wagner. Those two if they stay healthy are probably HOFs. Bobby Wagner is a HOF right now.

 

[thedarkstark]

You'd like to think Poles is serious in working to keep the team's best player.

If your most valuable possession is a turd it still ain't worth much.

Quan is a good player but he doesn't deserve to largest ILB contract in the league, he will never live up to that. You don't build a winner by overpaying guys unless they're a QB and even then it can get dicey.

 

[remydat]

It doesn't benefit the Bears to move on from Roquan right now, and they hold the cards. So I wouldn't expect him to go anywhere unless he goes full nuclear and starts MF'ing the whole organization.

If Roquan holds himself out of the regular season, he risks not accruing service time, and thus would delay his foray into free agency. The Bears, meanwhile, no matter what, own his rights for the next 1-3 years if they want, without his permission. And that's to say nothing of the $500,000+ per week that he'll eventually start losing once the regular season comes around.

The Bears have been very judicious so far on not fining him $40K per day. They hold all the cards. Roquan has no leverage. There's really no reason to expect a trade.

They can't fine him 40k a day. That number is only if he did not report to camp. The fine for missing practice maxes out 14k but he isn't technically missing practice. He is showing up and taking part just not participating physically. This is actually a bit of a gray area as to whether they would even be able to try and fine him 14k as the exact words in the CBA just says you have to attend practice not participate in it. Hence why none of the teams with hold ins have fined any of them thus far. The only thing they can for sure fine him for is missing games.

Wasn't Briggs similar? Pissed about a franchise tag, held out, finally hit FA and came back to the bears because he wasn't worth what he thought.

Briggs never hit FA. He was franchise tagged and at one point the Bears and Skins were trying to work out a trade but he eventually signed a long term deal with Bears in May of 2007 ie pretty much 3 months earlier than this standoff.

I think he is serious. But the Bears shouldn’t over-pay. Particularly to an OLB that is just being converted from ILB in a different defense. RS is the best player but that doesn’t mean much on a team lacking talent. He isn’t a QB or a LT or a WR or an edge rusher.

The role of a 3-4 inside LB and the role of a 4-3 Will is not substantially different as the OLBs in a 3-4 have rush responsibilities. Quan was the Weakside ILB playing away from the the TE which is the basically what the WILL LB in a 3-4 does. Not to mention he is in nickel 75-80% of the time where the roles are pretty much the same.

Finally this D is made for Quan so it simply isn't that compelling an argument to say Bears need to see him in this D. Quan knows that enough about how this D works to know that is bullshit and so does Flus and Poles. This is not about needing to see how he performs in this D. This is about them having a specific valuation on him that they don't want to exceed.

 

[onebud34]

They can't fine him 40k a day. That number is only if he did not report to camp. The fine for missing practice maxes out 14k but he isn't technically missing practice. He is showing up and taking part just not participating physically. This is actually a bit of a gray area as to whether they would even be able to try and fine him 14k as the exact words in the CBA just says you have to attend practice not participate in it. Hence why none of the teams with hold ins have fined any of them thus far. The only thing they can for sure fine him for is missing games.



Briggs never hit FA. He was franchise tagged and at one point the Bears and Skins were trying to work out a trade but he eventually signed a long term deal with Bears in May of 2007 ie pretty much 3 months earlier than this standoff.



The role of a 3-4 inside LB and the role of a 4-3 Will is not substantially different as the OLBs in a 3-4 have rush responsibilities. Quan was the Weakside ILB playing away from the the TE which is the basically what the WILL LB in a 3-4 does. Not to mention he is in nickel 75-80% of the time where the roles are pretty much the same.

Finally this D is made for Quan so it simply isn't that compelling an argument to say Bears need to see him in this D. Quan knows that enough about how this D works to know that is bullshit and so does Flus and Poles. This is not about needing to see how he performs in this D. This is about them having a specific valuation on him that they don't want to exceed.

Briggs did hit FA in the 2008 year, didn't last long though. I think he was signed a day into it.

 

[onebud34]

It annoying me last night the many time they mentioned Quan being an ILB when they were discussing the contract talks. Was an ILB 2018-2021

 

[Spitta Andretti]

They can't fine him 40k a day. That number is only if he did not report to camp. The fine for missing practice maxes out 14k but he isn't technically missing practice. He is showing up and taking part just not participating physically. This is actually a bit of a gray area as to whether they would even be able to try and fine him 14k as the exact words in the CBA just says you have to attend practice not participate in it. Hence why none of the teams with hold ins have fined any of them thus far. The only thing they can for sure fine him for is missing games.



Briggs never hit FA. He was franchise tagged and at one point the Bears and Skins were trying to work out a trade but he eventually signed a long term deal with Bears in May of 2007 ie pretty much 3 months earlier than this standoff.



The role of a 3-4 inside LB and the role of a 4-3 Will is not substantially different as the OLBs in a 3-4 have rush responsibilities. Quan was the Weakside ILB playing away from the the TE which is the basically what the WILL LB in a 3-4 does. Not to mention he is in nickel 75-80% of the time where the roles are pretty much the same.

Finally this D is made for Quan so it simply isn't that compelling an argument to say Bears need to see him in this D. Quan knows that enough about how this D works to know that is bullshit and so does Flus and Poles. This is not about needing to see how he performs in this D. This is about them having a specific valuation on him that they don't want to exceed.

The Briggs situation got to the franchise tag though. Ro hasnt reached that point yet

 

[remydat]

Briggs did hit FA in the 2008 year, didn't last long though. I think he was signed a day into it.

Yeah may bad. Got the dates mixed up. Signed March 1st, 2008.

The Briggs situation got to the franchise tag though. Ro hasnt reached that point yet

Yeah that was 15 years ago. Don't think it has much relevance for today.

 

[onebud34]

Yeah may bad. Got the dates mixed up. Signed March 1st, 2008.

Briggs kind of made a stink about it all year in 2007 when he signed the 1 year deal. Then again, Briggs had an agent. I think Quan should be re-signed(and he probably will be), but he should get a better business consultant if he is going to rep himself.

 

[Spitta Andretti]

Yeah may bad. Got the dates mixed up. Signed March 1st, 2008.



Yeah that was 15 years ago. Don't think it has much relevance for today.

did players not want job security back then?

"Briggs refused to sign the six-year $33 million dollar deal the Bears offered him in 2006, forcing the Bears to franchise him over an average of $500 thousand per year (wait, that number sounds oddly familiar, doesn't it?) and creating a rift between Briggs and the team.

He and Agent Drew Rosenhaus promised that Briggs would never play for Chicago again, but when possible trade partner Washington backed away from his asking price in 2006, Briggs signed the $7.2 million franchise tag the Bears placed on him, with a promise from the Bears that they wouldn't franchise him in 2007.

The truth is that Briggs thought his market value was much higher than it actually turned out to be, and he priced himself out of the market, with suitors like New Orleans, San Francisco and Washington turning to other options.

Now, just three years into the deal, Briggs is unhappy again and is again taking it to the media. The last time around he aired his grievances out in public, too. That is, until he crashed his Lamborghini and left it sitting in a median. After that, he rarely spoke to the media and when he did, he suddenly changed his tune about staying in Chicago."


Seems familiar. All talk. Ro can make all these threats but its likely the Bears are the team that will pay him the most but still, that point would be reached next offseason if he actually gets to a franchise tag

 

[Bearly]

That’s why $20 mil a year is a fair and honest offer. Not break the bank offer like Leonard , Warner, or Wagner. Those two if they stay healthy are probably HOFs. Bobby Wagner is a HOF right now.

It is but the guarantee is likely low. I think that's the sticking point. Roqaun wants to highest paid and highest guaranteed. It's a bit much for the position he's in, both as a player and league rep (which is still pretty great)

 

[remydat]

did players not want job security back then?

"Briggs refused to sign the six-year $33 million dollar deal the Bears offered him in 2006, forcing the Bears to franchise him over an average of $500 thousand per year (wait, that number sounds oddly familiar, doesn't it?) and creating a rift between Briggs and the team.

He and Agent Drew Rosenhaus promised that Briggs would never play for Chicago again, but when possible trade partner Washington backed away from his asking price in 2006, Briggs signed the $7.2 million franchise tag the Bears placed on him, with a promise from the Bears that they wouldn't franchise him in 2007.

The truth is that Briggs thought his market value was much higher than it actually turned out to be, and he priced himself out of the market, with suitors like New Orleans, San Francisco and Washington turning to other options.

Now, just three years into the deal, Briggs is unhappy again and is again taking it to the media. The last time around he aired his grievances out in public, too. That is, until he crashed his Lamborghini and left it sitting in a median. After that, he rarely spoke to the media and when he did, he suddenly changed his tune about staying in Chicago."


Seems familiar. All talk. Ro can make all these threats but its likely the Bears are the team that will pay him the most but still, that point would be reached next offseason if he actually gets to a franchise tag

He made 3m more then as he signed for 6 years and 36 million. That is 6 million a year plus the 7.2m franchise tag so he made more money that if he had just settled for the 6 year 33 million deal the Bears offered.

 

[napo55]

If your most valuable possession is a turd it still ain't worth much.

Quan is a good player but he doesn't deserve to largest ILB contract in the league, he will never live up to that. You don't build a winner by overpaying guys unless they're a QB and even then it can get dicey.

Smith is the team leader on defense and respected and liked by his teammates. Good teams don't plot to get rid of their best players. Look at his stats last year.

Why people have faith in the untested Poles is a true mystery.

 

[Toast88]

They can't fine him 40k a day. That number is only if he did not report to camp. The fine for missing practice maxes out 14k but he isn't technically missing practice. He is showing up and taking part just not participating physically. This is actually a bit of a gray area as to whether they would even be able to try and fine him 14k as the exact words in the CBA just says you have to attend practice not participate in it. Hence why none of the teams with hold ins have fined any of them thus far. The only thing they can for sure fine him for is missing games.



Briggs never hit FA. He was franchise tagged and at one point the Bears and Skins were trying to work out a trade but he eventually signed a long term deal with Bears in May of 2007 ie pretty much 3 months earlier than this standoff.



The role of a 3-4 inside LB and the role of a 4-3 Will is not substantially different as the OLBs in a 3-4 have rush responsibilities. Quan was the Weakside ILB playing away from the the TE which is the basically what the WILL LB in a 3-4 does. Not to mention he is in nickel 75-80% of the time where the roles are pretty much the same.

Finally this D is made for Quan so it simply isn't that compelling an argument to say Bears need to see him in this D. Quan knows that enough about how this D works to know that is bullshit and so does Flus and Poles. This is not about needing to see how he performs in this D. This is about them having a specific valuation on him that they don't want to exceed.

They absolutely can fine him $40,000 per day for not practicing. Him showing up and doing a “hold-in” helped him avoid $40K fines, but that was only while on the PUP list. Once he was taken off the PUP list, he became fair game to fine. The Bears have simply chosen not to, possibly because they think he would completely lose his shit.

The CBA is vague (probably intentionally so), but you can fine an able-bodied player $40K for not practicing. Is showing up and doing nothing still “practicing”? That’s where it gets subjective.

 

[Myk]

Smith is the team leader on defense and respected and liked by his teammates. Good teams don't plot to get rid of their best players. Look at his stats last year.

Why people have faith in the untested Poles is a true mystery.

How many post seasons did we have since our fearless leader was drafted? If he's the leader shouldn't it be his head that rolls?

 

[Visionman]

They absolutely can fine him $40,000 per day for not practicing. Him showing up and doing a “hold-in” helped him avoid $40K fines, but that was only while on the PUP list. Once he was taken off the PUP list, he became fair game to fine. The Bears have simply chosen not to, possibly because they think he would completely lose his shit.

The CBA is vague (probably intentionally so), but you can fine an able-bodied player $40K for not practicing. Is showing up and doing nothing still “practicing”? That’s where it gets subjective.

The Bears have said they are keeping any possible fines in-house, so they aren’t going to tell us. Not sure is Roquan would be that mature if they were fining him though…

 

[inchibearfan]

He is good but he is not worth the money he thinks he is. Overpaying players is what got the Bears in the sotuation they are in now as well as trading away picks.