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Well I'm just going off what was posted earlier. If I remember right, something around 50%, give or take a couple percentage points, is "fully vaccinated" in the U.S. Then I saw something like 37% of the black community is "fully vaccinated." That would mean that a disproportionately higher percentage of whites are "fully vaccinated" unless that disparity is made up by other ethnicities like latino or asian. So yea, whites seem to be more likely to get jabbed.

The rates for all demographics except Native Americans and Asians are brutal. I can understand why some demographics may hesitate. But the hesitancy seen from Caucasians confuses me. I wish I understood it better.

It's like Adam Gase complaining that all his GMs that he has worked under drafted poorly.
 

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And this attitude right here, folks, is why covid will not be eradicated like polio and will rather become a part of our lives going forward, with tens to hundreds of thousands dying every few years as new variants emerge from host populations that decided not to get a vaccine

people may feel their individual risk is low enough to say fuck it.

But then they are still hosts , providing the virus habitat, affording it time to continue evolving, perpetuating the risk to compromised people everywhere

well done
You are not going to win against the anti-vaxxers. It would be best to just fly all the anti-vaxxers to their own island and leave them there. I have had two members of my family die from covid and my mom's sister had double pnemonia with covid (she survived though).
 

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You are not going to win against the anti-vaxxers. It would be best to just fly all the anti-vaxxers to their own island and leave them there. I have had two members of my family die from covid and my mom's sister had double pnemonia with covid (she survived though).
My like was for the first two sentences, not about your family members, which I’m sorry about.
 

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I can understand why some demographics may hesitate. But the hesitancy seen from Caucasians confuses me. I wish I understood it better.
I understand it perfectly. Different strokes for different folks.
 

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If I were not in a higher risk group I would have not gotten the shot either.

This is the first mRNA vaccine to be rushed thru acceptance. Work on mRNA started about 30 years ago and was initially rejected by many in the health field. It finally gained acceptance and it wasn't until about 10 years ago that they had a breakthru of preventing the body's immune system from rejecting mRNA vaccines.

To say that mRNA's long term effects on humans are not fully documented and understood completely is truthful. The majority of professionals believe that the benefits outweigh the risks. I would take that a step further and say that if you are not in a high risk group the benefits may not outweigh the risks of taking a vaccine that had to be expedited thru studies and that lifetime human interaction has not been fully observed.

I am not talking just about the short term side effect risks. I am talking about long term possible unknowns.
I just know that I am going to end up with wings, so I'm good.
 

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Blind faith in Fauci is not going eradicate COVID.

that's your response?

thank you for being part of the group that is making eradication impossible

thank you for hosting this virus and keeping it alive

deflect all you want. but in the end, tens to hundreds of thousands of people will die on a regular cycle because this retardation.

good day, sir.
 

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When the footnote becomes main theme? This is where you cherry pick or misinterpret science but refuse to follow the advice of the very people you quoted.

The conclusions, literally the last paragraphs:

“Any virus is going to try to keep changing, so it can continue to spread. For COVID-19, that means we’ll likely see more new variants. That’s natural and expected. Don’t be too worried about it, the vaccine should help keep us safe. But, that’s why it’s so important for experts to work together around the world to track the COVID-19 variants. It’s also important for you to continue doing your part by getting the COVID-19 vaccine,” Dr. Best says.

"HARRIS: Bieniasz says, to slow this evolutionary process as much as possible, it's important to slow the spread of the virus right now so people who get vaccinated are at lower risk for getting infected in the first place."


It's a call to arms and to stop the lollygagging and outright nonconformity. No free lunches but they can be affordable if you follow the rules and follow the advice.

So far, the early more lethal variants have originated Britain, South Africa, India and Brazil before the vax was available in those areas until we got this new US variant that, surprisingly, originated in a low vaxed areas. I am not disputing what you posted but you need to take all info in context and when you point to an expert opinion as fact, you should also follow their informed recommendations.

Proliferation is a far greater threat for variant that is the vaccine. The mechanism is similar and to acknowledge that is good science. Your immune system responds and if you don't conquer it quickly, you will generate more mutations. The British variant is thought to have come from a critical patient that hung on for an extended period due to repeated life saving measures. The mechanism is effectively the same but 2 important aspects are missed here. If you have the vaccine or a previous bout of Covid, your prognosis is pretty great if you get infected and the transmitted viral load generally lower and for some effectively nil.

To say the vax could spurn variants like the disease does is nothing close to a good reason to sit on your hands. It's a virus, they mutate but having antibodies to an earlier version tends to offer some protection from future ones, just like the flu. The idea is to slow the proliferation in general to prevent more variants and the vaccine is actually a great tool for that. Why both articles strongly recommended getting it.

You just posted 2 articles that gave good reason for the vax with strong recommendations to do so yet are trying to twist science to your will. Doesn't work that way. They are smart people when they tell you about viral propagation and they continue to be smart when they tell you the best way to counter it.
I made a clear statement and its correct. Frankly I don't care if people want to ignore it.
 

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There are various reasons that viruses become variants or mutations. Its plain old absurd to blame unvaxinated peoples for covid mutations because its proven to happen regardless of vaccinations or not. Especially since so many people are still contracting covid despite being "vaccinated"

That is the only point I wanted to make. Take it or leave it. Doesn't bother me but facts don't change because someone doesn't like them either.
 

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I find it hard to believe that this guy is credible. I just saw him quoted as saying the MRNA alters our DNA, which is an often claimed myth. And he keeps claiming he invented the vaccine when these two did:
It is Dr. Katalin Karikó and her collaborator Dr. Drew Weissman.

So stay away from that guy, he seems to have PLandemic vibe all over him.
Uggh….whether he got credited for inventing it or not, he had a huge hand in the development and research and is more than qualified to speak on the topic.
 

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You are full of false equivalencies and misleading references but that's OK. :rolleyes:
More willfully (or mabye not so willfully) ignorant.
Vaccines lead to fewer cases, fewer mutations, and fewer deaths.

It blows my mind that those most vocal about a return to normal are also those avoiding the very thing that would result in that return to normal.

Maybe Biden should announce a proposed ban on vaccinations for all those eligible but refusing to get it. They would instantly begin shouting about their civil right to get the vaccine.

And I am totally on board with vaccination only concerts, sporting events, etc. I would love the ironic screams of civil right abuse.
 

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There are various reasons that viruses become variants or mutations. Its plain old absurd to blame unvaxinated peoples for covid mutations because its proven to happen regardless of vaccinations or not. Especially since so many people are still contracting covid despite being "vaccinated"

That is the only point I wanted to make. Take it or leave it. Doesn't bother me but facts don't change because someone doesn't like them either.

Wrong. Most vaccinated people still do not contract the Delta variant. Also, for the most part, people who get vaccinated do not die from Covid. Almost all people who die from Covid are not vaccinated.

At this point, if you are spreading false information about vaccines, you share in the responsibility for the avoidable deaths.
 

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There are various reasons that viruses become variants or mutations. Its plain old absurd to blame unvaxinated peoples for covid mutations because its proven to happen regardless of vaccinations or not. Especially since so many people are still contracting covid despite being "vaccinated"

That is the only point I wanted to make. Take it or leave it. Doesn't bother me but facts don't change because someone doesn't like them either.
Nobody is blaming the unvaccinated for virus mutations. That’s plain fucking stupid.
 

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You are not going to win against the anti-vaxxers. It would be best to just fly all the anti-vaxxers to their own island and leave them there. I have had two members of my family die from covid and my mom's sister had double pnemonia with covid (she survived though).

You realize this is one of the plots for a Star Trek episode right?

The anti-tech (anti-vax) crowd get sent to a remote colony to live life as they want with the minor exception that they never make it there due to the government incinerating all the colonists before they got to the colony. They said they all died from disease.
 

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