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Mack was all-pro one year at DE in a 4-3
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He would be a perfect weak side LB, he would have his best year yet
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You're the one who claimed to be superior thanks to being taught READING COMPREHENSION in school. Paragraphs are vital to communicating ideas in written form. Which is something you definitely should have learned when they taught you READING COMPREHENSION.
I recommend chilling the fuck out.
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I believe that is why they have coaches. You are exaggerating the differences in the same way you think I am downplaying them. Again we will see soon enough.
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No I'm not - I played defensive end in college. How many college defensive ends get drafted, play on the ball for several years, and them move to an off ball position?
You're just making things up.
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Couldn’t Nichols be a 3-tech?
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Possibly, but Im letting him walk and using an oversized hicks.. age, injury, and stupid penalty concerns.. but when hes got it going.. its going..
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A DE and a 3-4 OLB have different responsibilities as a 3-4 OLB plays in space more and not with their hand down all the time.
Rosey Colvin was a DL in college and then played SLB on early downs and then DE on passing downs for the Bears in Lovie's Tampa 2. Hence why I referenced him. Pretty sure Bruce Irven used to do it in Seattle as well ie play SLB on early downs then DE on passing downs as a guy like Michael Bennet used to kick inside from DE to 3T.
So again no point debating. We will just have to see what happens.
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Not sure you can afford either given other holes. Probably just best to roll with Blackson/Edwards and maybe work Mack in on passing downs.
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He was a DE in college and played with his hand in the dirt a lot with the Bears, who were also in Nickel like 65% of the time. He never lined up off the ball and played like a 4-3 LB, reading through OL to backfield. Switching levels of defense is very tough. Sometimes you have a guy like Isaiah Simmons who is sort of a hybrid SS/LB but its rare. I can't think of anyone who made the switch from EDGE to off ball LB mid career.
I doubt you followed how Colvin was deployed at Purdue.
If you don't want to debate, you are free to stop at any time.
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Yes I am aware he was a DE in college and that he plays with his hand down alot now. I dont think the transition to playing standing up is as much a transition as you make it out to be as he already does some of that now.
Colvin and Irvin played on the DL in college. It was not that unusual for some 4-3 teams to have a guy play SLB and then drop down to DE on passing down.
We all agree he hasnt done it much. The question is does he have the skillset and the fact is Gipson has the agility to do so per his scouting report. Whether that is the route the new HC wants to go in remains to be seen.
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No, you have no idea how Colvin played in college - and either way, he was drafted to play SAM. It's not a transition to 'standing up.' It's a transition to playing a different level of the field, with different types of reads, different keys and a significantly different skill set.
The scouting report does not say that Gipson has the agility to play off ball LB - and that is again not even what's at issue. It's not about agility. Mack has more agility than Gipson, why not move him to SAM?
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He was listed as DL per CFR. He was not drafted to play SAM. He was always a tweener. Urlacher was supposed to play SAM but couldnt take on blocks so was moved to MLB eventually. You dont get 10 sacks back to back playing SAM. He dropped down to DE on passing downs as Phil Daniels would move inside to replaxe one of the two fatties we had under Jauron.
The scouting report says he has the agility to track and tackle in space.
Mack is more of a power and speed combo which is better suited to playing DE in base and moving inside possibly in some nickel packages ala Michael Bennet in the event you want Quinn/Mack/Gipson on the field at same time sometimes.
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I read the scouting report. It has nothing to do with playing off ball LB.
Colvin was a something of a tweener (but he was drafted as that). Gipson is not.
Draftnetwork on Gipson's standup ability, if we are doing college scouting reports:
Stand Up Ability - Wouldn't endorse him playing pass coverage reps, didn't see a lot of that on film and he's not a comfortable tackler in space. His upside to stand up reps would be gaining additional leverage as an outside-in run defender who gets better leverage for contain as end man on the LOS.
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It is a projection. The point is he is not some lumbering athlete who looks to be completely incapable of playing SLB on run downs.
There is a difference between someone not being asked to do it a lot vs not having the ability to do it. I think Gipson is the former. The skillset is there to play a Rosy Colvin role IMO.
Get the best players on the field that gives the D flexibility. The SLB is coming off in nickel as usually it is the WLB and MLB that stay on. So developing a guy that play reps at both SLB/DE is a benefit to the D.
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That's fine, but no one who scouts football agrees with you. They all treat him as a EDGE and most liked him more as a hand in the dirt player.
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This is a silly argument. I like him at Edge as well with his hand in the dirt. No one would have brought it up before because it would not have come up before. He was drafted in a 3-4 where it is obvious he is an OLB.
It is also obvious he is an Edge in a 4-3 but we have Mack and Quinn so the only reason it is coming up is to see if there is a way to get all 3 on the field at the same time.
I know of no scout that is psychic and thus would have comtemplated this scenario back when he was drafted. So the question is does he possess skills to play SLB 20-25% of the time on largely run downs. I think the answer is yes.
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He's not a linebacker. Why would you want him playing SLB on running downs? He's not a space player, and he'd be an absolute liability in coverage.
It's far more likely he plays 3 technique in passing situations then SLB. As it stands, I would expect them to use either him or even Mack there. He's a pass rusher.
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You really think they're keeping Goldman who sucked as a NT and his $8M salary to pretend to be a 3T ? LOL
Devonte Wyatt in the 3rd ?
