What pick at #9 makes you vomit?

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I speak of coverage rating from PFF. He's in the bottom 5 of the NFL

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Just don't see why people would be upset to see Bears take one of the top CBs with their first pick as if they have anything decent at the position.
I didn't say I would be upset if they took CB. But they are going to give him another year at least.
 

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I didn't say I would be upset if they took CB. But they are going to give him another year at least.
Yeah also don't want to be stuck giving JJ an extension and overpaying for him cause you don't have shit else at the position. I would say CB is one of the Bears biggest needs if you're looking at the big picture.
 

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A CB at #9 would be the second year in a row where there was a failure to prioritize support for Fields.. The team can't afford to go into JF year 4 not knowing if he can excell because the O line was one of the worst in the NFL.
 

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What do you get from a supposedly best in class talent with red flags in college?

The Hall of Fame if Randy Moss and Warren Sapp are any examples. Even Laremy Tunsil is on his way towards a Hall of Fame career after having experienced a fall due to red flags on draft day.

The things that need to be addressed are:
  1. Does Carter have top of the draft talent?
    1. Remember that sacks are not the end all be all in how defenders are viewed.
    2. It seems that national 'scouts' think that he is amazing. How do teams view him?
  2. Are his red flags things that can be lived with or will go away as he matures?
    1. He seems to have a lead foot when in a car.
      1. Is that something that will eventually go away or that can be lived with?
        1. I recall that the Bears lived with someone's abandoned Lamborghini.
      2. Notice that this red flag, though attached to two deaths, is not a red flag like murder, abuse (child, women or animal), gambling or selling drugs, which have all occurred to NFL players with some of them continuing their careers.
    2. He might have football character issues, which could affect his career on the field.
      1. Somewhat odd because he has gotten nothing but support from his teammates.
  3. Are the Bears willing to take a chance on this supposed talent when the football gods gave them a chance at getting him to fall into their laps on draft day after they traded down to 9?
    1. The above players mentioned in my 2nd paragraph all had Hall of Fame (or potential HOF) careers because they all fell into a team's lap and that team's GM had the balls to pull the trigger.
      1. There are people who want to pass on Carter and draft a safe pick like Skoronski because "his floor is an all-pro guard".
        1. They are lying. His floor is a bust, just like any other 1st round pick.
          1. What they are willing to risk is a solid interior lineman (with a slight chance of him surviving at the tackle position, slighter than him busting completely) instead of Carter who has a slight chance of becoming a great 3 Tech, a great chance of becoming a good 3 tech and a slight chance of him busting.
            1. Sorry, but no one should be drafted at 9, not named Quenton Nelson, to play guard.


All it takes is for one team to fall in love with Carter and take a chance on him for his slide to end. How much is it worth to take a chance on greatness, bypassing taking a chance on solid, especially at their biggest need, as for the Bears, it would be?

Do I have all the answers above?

No, but supposedly many of those answers have been answered in a positive sense for many teams. Which means Carter will be gone by #9.
 

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A CB at #9 would be the second year in a row where there was a failure to prioritize support for Fields.. The team can't afford to go into JF year 4 not knowing if he can excell because the O line was one of the worst in the NFL.
Support for Fields was prioritized when the Bears traded the #1 pick. They literally sought out a trade for Moore to support their QB. Otherwise they'd have ended up with more than just 1 pick in the top 50.
 
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What do you get from a supposedly best in class talent with red flags in college?

The Hall of Fame if Randy Moss and Warren Sapp are any examples. Even Laremy Tunsil is on his way towards a Hall of Fame career after having experienced a fall due to red flags on draft day.

The things that need to be addressed are:
  1. Does Carter have top of the draft talent?
    1. Remember that sacks are not the end all be all in how defenders are viewed.
    2. It seems that national 'scouts' think that he is amazing. How do teams view him?
  2. Are his red flags things that can be lived with or will go away as he matures?
    1. He seems to have a lead foot when in a car.
      1. Is that something that will eventually go away or that can be lived with?
        1. I recall that the Bears lived with someone's abandoned Lamborghini.
      2. Notice that this red flag, though attached to two deaths, is not a red flag like murder, abuse (child, women or animal), gambling or selling drugs, which have all occurred to NFL players with some of them continuing their careers.
    2. He might have football character issues, which could affect his career on the field.
      1. Somewhat odd because he has gotten nothing but support from his teammates.
  3. Are the Bears willing to take a chance on this supposed talent when the football gods gave them a chance at getting him to fall into their laps on draft day after they traded down to 9?
    1. The above players mentioned in my 2nd paragraph all had Hall of Fame (or potential HOF) careers because they all fell into a team's lap and that team's GM had the balls to pull the trigger.
      1. There are people who want to pass on Carter and draft a safe pick like Skoronski because "his floor is an all-pro guard".
        1. They are lying. His floor is a bust, just like any other 1st round pick.
          1. What they are willing to risk is a solid interior lineman (with a slight chance of him surviving at the tackle position, slighter than him busting completely) instead of Carter who has a slight chance of becoming a great 3 Tech, a great chance of becoming a good 3 tech and a slight chance of him busting.
            1. Sorry, but no one should be drafted at 9, not named Quenton Nelson, to play guard.


All it takes is for one team to fall in love with Carter and take a chance on him for his slide to end. How much is it worth to take a chance on greatness, bypassing taking a chance on solid, especially at their biggest need, as for the Bears, it would be?

Do I have all the answers above?

No, but supposedly many of those answers have been answered in a positive sense for many teams. Which means Carter will be gone by #9.
Haha. Good post. Agree, I don't think he'll be there at #9
 

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A CB at #9 would be the second year in a row where there was a failure to prioritize support for Fields.. The team can't afford to go into JF year 4 not knowing if he can excell because the O line was one of the worst in the NFL.
Stop already.

A GM trying to build an entire roster picks players where he feels they offer the best value and where there is not a comparable player available later.

It does NOT mean he doesn't care about whatever position he doesn't pick first.
 

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You're 100% wrong on Gonzalez, I watched every game with the Ducks last year and he's a stud, just not @ #9 for the Bears with other higher needs.

Maybe I was a tad harsh. He is a decent prospect, just not top 10 worthy in my opinion. Around Pick #20, sure, he is a good value. Plus, it's worth noting I like Devon Whitherspoon over him as the #1 CB. Witherspoon seems like the more aggressive, ball hawk type player to me. I love his mentality and it shows on tape.
 

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Lukas Van Ness girlfriend Frankie Kmet met each other at the University of Iowa. Frankie is the younger sister of NFL player Cole Kmet

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The hate on skoronski on here is hilarious.

He's going to work out very well in the NFL and the same people will be saying "What if" in a couple years if we draft a bust.


Stop over thinking shit. People who actually played the position in the NFL say the same. His feet are impeccable, his hand fighting is pretty great too. But his arms are 2 inches too short so he's not an NFL tackle. Makes sense.
 

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