Where it all went wrong

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First off nothing earth shattering here but sometimes we need to step back a little to see the bigger picture and remind ourselves why the team is in the position it is.

Early on in Lovie Smith's HC career he was blessed with a handful of playmakers on the defensive side of the ball. For all his warts, Lovie's teams played hard for their coach and loved the man. Lovie knew jack shit about the offensive side of the ball, or drafting and developing but give him a roster with talent and he will get the best out of them.

Then after the Super Bowl appearance ownership was smitten with Lovie. He was given greater control over the roster, the draft board, and his coaching staff. Of course he knew and appreciated ST and Def and it showed but his ineptitude on Off killed that side of the ball to the extent that the Bears pigeon holed themselves into trading for Cutler and playing the OC circus.

This has been stated ad nauseum but the larger issue then Lovie's ineptitude on Off was the draft and development that took place after the Superbowl appearance. Failure after failure of draft picks started to deplete an aging Def in addition to the obviously neglected other side of the ball. In other words Lovie was given too much power and they never replenished their roster. He bled all the success as he possibly could with your Urlacher's, Briggs, Tillman's, Hester's etc. but there was no infusion of new talent.

All those bad drafts created a vacuum and those voids needed to be filled by dipping into FA, trades, etc. or simply put not building the team the right way. The Bears would have been best served keeping Lovie as HC and having a powerful GM over him who had full roster and draft say and also helped assemble a staff. Obviously ownership saw it differently and Angelo fell on the sword.

Of course once they did that there is no going back so they had to ride Lovie until they no longer could. So in walks Emery and a chance at revival of the Chicago Bears and what does he do, passes up on Bruce Arians for freaking Trestman, talk about a faux pas of epic proportions. We will never know how Emery would have done with the roster given time to build because he made the worst HC hire imaginable.

So because of that terrible hire of course the Bears had to switch gears and go for an established and respected HC like John Fox instead of an unknown because they were feeling from Trestman. Turns out John Fox is a burned out, old coach who needs to hang it up. And now the Bears franchise is like a 2wd truck trying to make it up an icy hill, slipping and sliding backwards and gaining no traction.

Not sure if Pace is the right GM, but he needs to be given time to prove if he can pull the Bears out of a talent abyss. But in the meantime he needs to be given a clean slate and select his QB and his HC who he envisions leading this team in the years to come.
 

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It all went wrong when the McCaskey's found themselves the owners and stewards of this franchise. Every minor degree of success from the norm of mediocrity and failure is despite their utter incompetence.

Not going to end until the team is sold
 

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Broncos firing Shanahan, which made Cutler available.

We need to right these wrongs and hire Kyle Shanahan.
 

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It all went wrong when the McCaskey's found themselves the owners and stewards of this franchise. Every minor degree of success from the norm of mediocrity and failure is despite their utter incompetence.

Not going to end until the team is sold

The owners share all the blame no doubt. But I do think this team can become a winning franchise again even with them as owners.

For starters they need to ride with Pace for now. They saw something they liked in him and he is young and fresh, and should be given a chance to learn from some mistakes. If Pace doesn't yet have full autonomy over the team he needs to be given that immediately. That and time is the only way they truly can evaluate Pace as a GM.
 

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It all went wrong when the McCaskey's found themselves the owners and stewards of this franchise. Every minor degree of success from the norm of mediocrity and failure is despite their utter incompetence.

Not going to end until the team is sold

Not gonna happen. Once Virginia dies the team gets divided up between her 11 kids and her grandchildren. Patrick Ryan and Andrew McKenna would then become the majority owners since they own 20% of the team, both of those guys are also ancient like Virginia so who knows what hands it will fall into after they pass.
 

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The owners share all the blame no doubt. But I do think this team can become a winning franchise again even with them as owners.

For starters they need to ride with Pace for now. They saw something they liked in him and he is young and fresh, and should be given a chance to learn from some mistakes. If Pace doesn't yet have full autonomy over the team he needs to be given that immediately. That and time is the only way they truly can evaluate Pace as a GM.

One of the afternoon guys on 670 AM just said that his sources told him that John Fox was not Pace's guy. Pace actually wanted to hire someone else but was forced to hire Fox when he became available. Not sure if it's true, but if that's the case, I have a hard time blaming Pace for this mess.
 

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Where it all went wrong:

The McCaskeys
Ted Phillips
Dick Jauron
Dave Wanny
Lovie Smith
Jerry Angelo
Phil Emery
Mark Trestman
Ryan Pace
John Fox
Gabe Carimi
Michael Haynes
Curtis Enis
Rashan Salaam
Brandon Hardin
Shea McLellin
Jonathon Bostic
Dan Bazuin
Kevin White
Erroneous Grasu
Jeremy Langford
Joaquin Englasias
Chris Williams
Kyle Fuller
Pernell McPhee
David Terrell
Cade McNown
Mike Tice
 

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Where it all went wrong:

The McCaskeys
Ted Phillips
Dick Jauron
Dave Wanny
Lovie Smith
Jerry Angelo
Phil Emery
Mark Trestman
Ryan Pace
John Fox
Gabe Carimi
Michael Haynes
Curtis Enis
Rashan Salaam
Brandon Hardin
Shea McLellin
Jonathon Bostic
Dan Bazuin
Kevin White
Erroneous Grasu
Jeremy Langford
Joaquin Englasias
Chris Williams
Kyle Fuller
Pernell McPhee
David Terrell
Cade McNown
Mike Tice

:puke:
 

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Where it all went wrong:

The McCaskeys
Ted Phillips
Dick Jauron
Dave Wanny
Lovie Smith
Jerry Angelo
Phil Emery
Mark Trestman
Ryan Pace
John Fox
Gabe Carimi
Michael Haynes
Curtis Enis
Rashan Salaam
Brandon Hardin
Shea McLellin
Jonathon Bostic
Dan Bazuin
Kevin White
Erroneous Grasu
Jeremy Langford
Joaquin Englasias
Chris Williams
Kyle Fuller
Pernell McPhee
David Terrell
Cade McNown
Mike Tice

please tell me you copy/pasted this from somewhere else.
 

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First off nothing earth shattering here but sometimes we need to step back a little to see the bigger picture and remind ourselves why the team is in the position it is.

Early on in Lovie Smith's HC career he was blessed with a handful of playmakers on the defensive side of the ball. For all his warts, Lovie's teams played hard for their coach and loved the man. Lovie knew jack shit about the offensive side of the ball, or drafting and developing but give him a roster with talent and he will get the best out of them.

Then after the Super Bowl appearance ownership was smitten with Lovie. He was given greater control over the roster, the draft board, and his coaching staff. Of course he knew and appreciated ST and Def and it showed but his ineptitude on Off killed that side of the ball to the extent that the Bears pigeon holed themselves into trading for Cutler and playing the OC circus.

This has been stated ad nauseum but the larger issue then Lovie's ineptitude on Off was the draft and development that took place after the Superbowl appearance. Failure after failure of draft picks started to deplete an aging Def in addition to the obviously neglected other side of the ball. In other words Lovie was given too much power and they never replenished their roster. He bled all the success as he possibly could with your Urlacher's, Briggs, Tillman's, Hester's etc. but there was no infusion of new talent.

All those bad drafts created a vacuum and those voids needed to be filled by dipping into FA, trades, etc. or simply put not building the team the right way. The Bears would have been best served keeping Lovie as HC and having a powerful GM over him who had full roster and draft say and also helped assemble a staff. Obviously ownership saw it differently and Angelo fell on the sword.

Of course once they did that there is no going back so they had to ride Lovie until they no longer could. So in walks Emery and a chance at revival of the Chicago Bears and what does he do, passes up on Bruce Arians for freaking Trestman, talk about a faux pas of epic proportions. We will never know how Emery would have done with the roster given time to build because he made the worst HC hire imaginable.

So because of that terrible hire of course the Bears had to switch gears and go for an established and respected HC like John Fox instead of an unknown because they were feeling from Trestman. Turns out John Fox is a burned out, old coach who needs to hang it up. And now the Bears franchise is like a 2wd truck trying to make it up an icy hill, slipping and sliding backwards and gaining no traction.

Not sure if Pace is the right GM, but he needs to be given time to prove if he can pull the Bears out of a talent abyss. But in the meantime he needs to be given a clean slate and select his QB and his HC who he envisions leading this team in the years to come.

Lovie developed plenty of guys on D. He had two separate dominant runs with very different players besides Briggs and Lach. The offense suffered from bad QBs and bad tackles. Lovie and Angelo were fired because the owners thought Cutler was being held back by them, turns out that he was self sabotaging.

The Bears are a dumb franchise that can't hire or supervise. They hired Emery and let him drive the team into a ditch. All he had to do was improve the OL and draft a flipping pass rusher. He got cute and set the team back.
 
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Nope - just off my head. If I researched it, I'd still be typing it up.

Championship!

I was afraid you were going to say that. :lmao:

we're probably the only fanbase in all of sports that could procure such a list with such ease.
 

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Lovie developed plenty of guys on D. He had two separate dominant runs with very different players besides Briggs and Lach. The offense suffered from bad QBs and bad tackles. Lovie and Angelo were fired because the owners thought Cutler was being held back by them, turns out that he was self sabotaging.

The Bears are a dumb franchise that can't hire or supervise. They hired Emery and let him drive the team into a ditch. All he had to do was improve the OL and draft a flipping pass rusher. He got cute and set the team back.

Two separate dominant runs? LOL

He did not develop Peppers and Melton was developed but by Rod Marinelli if that is the 2nd dominant run you are referring to.

Again, the roster started getting thin the moment Lovie was given an increase in power. It's a shame he didn't leave any groceries in the pantry when he left.
 

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Two separate dominant runs? LOL

He did not develop Peppers and Melton was developed but by Rod Marinelli if that is the 2nd dominant run you are referring to.

Again, the roster started getting thin the moment Lovie was given an increase in power. It's a shame he didn't leave any groceries in the pantry when he left.

Are you arguing that the 2010 to 2012 D was not dominant?
 

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Are you arguing that the 2010 to 2012 D was not dominant?

+1 for actually saying dominant and not dominate, when you meant dominant.

2010's defense was great, got an infusion from the Peppers pickup. 2012 they gave up about 3 TDs a game, that's not why they were losing though. if you look at that season as a whole they seriously scored points just like this year's team.
 

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+1 for actually saying dominant and not dominate, when you meant dominant.

2010's defense was great, got an infusion from the Peppers pickup. 2012 they gave up about 3 TDs a game, that's not why they were losing though. if you look at that season as a whole they seriously scored points just like this year's team.

You are mistaken, 2012 did not give up 3tds a game.. They finished first in DVOA. That D was kept from 11 Ws by the Cutler give away at MN. One of the all time choke jobs in my memory.They gave up17.3, the 3rd least points even including all the tds and field goals given away by the offense.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/...totalPointsPerGame/position/defense/year/2012
 
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The owners share all the blame no doubt. But I do think this team can become a winning franchise again even with them as owners.

For starters they need to ride with Pace for now. They saw something they liked in him and he is young and fresh, and should be given a chance to learn from some mistakes. If Pace doesn't yet have full autonomy over the team he needs to be given that immediately. That and time is the only way they truly can evaluate Pace as a GM.

I believe this.

It seems the owners have succumbed to the 'rage' of the fans at times and have just run everybody out to appease the masses. If they quit meddling, let people do their jobs and work the issues, they may end up with some sustainable success. This may mean the stadium has empty seats, fans with bags on their heads etc., but they can't let the prisoners run the prison.
 

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It all went wrong when the McCaskey's found themselves the owners and stewards of this franchise. Every minor degree of success from the norm of mediocrity and failure is despite their utter incompetence.

Not going to end until the team is sold

I do not think I have ever brought up ownership as a problem before... choosing to discount the narrative and judge the team management.
I resisted the idea because of the "Bears are cheap" chant.... they did seem to spend a decent amount of cash.


..... But ownership is definitely a HUGE issue. I still dont think they are cheap... but they sure as hell are a podunk team that is very forgiving of management, very patient with underperformers, and very prone to giving their hires way too much leash.

Angelo and Smith should have been out on their asses after 2008- The 2 of them went to bat and brought Orton and Grossman back for one year deals after they both proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that they were not long term fixes.
Angelo and Smith should have been out when the clock hit 0:00 on the final game of that year.

Instead, Jerry gets 3 years and Lovie gets 4 afterwards. Sure- Ginny is nice. But nice led to the looooooooooonnnnnnnnnggggggggggg slooooooowwwwwwwwwwww slide in to the NFL basement we are seeing today.
This team should have been contending with a new roster in 2010 rather than suffering through repeat attempts at re-animation of a long dead core.
 

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The problem is not the owners, coaches, schemes, weather, field. It's really really simple. We draft bad and have for 25 years. Compare our last 25 drafts to anyone's and only the Browns are worse. This is very simple ( BAD DRAFTING FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME) and nothing else. Everything else is fine including the owners.
 

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