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I want to go see Ireland, it's on the bucket list. Just to go into old pub there i think would be epic. I have a friend i lost touch of there, say's it's pretty hi-tech.

My wife went there on a vacation before we were married. She brought me back an original club from the town of shillelagh by one of the old school makers there. Thing is leaded and ready to work! Those pieces of black thorn are pretty ridiculous. I am grasping to remember what the size club she brought me was called, because the standard sized ones are walking cane length and mine was shorter than that. A thumper if you will.
 

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I want to go see Ireland, it's on the bucket list. Just to go into old pub there i think would be epic. I have a friend i lost touch of there, say's it's pretty hi-tech.
One buddy is halve Irish, halve Italian...he's been to Ireland twice and loved it, though he stayed more cities when he went. Favorite story: when they were dropped back at the airport, my buddy paid the fare with a nice tip and the cabbie told them to come back and bring their friends. Tipping practices are very different in Europe, and the cabbie explained that most Americans tip kinda subconsciously and they love it over there.

Another buddy is the son of Irish immigrants...he's been there many times, and stays with family on their very rural farm...he loves it as well, the rural lifestyle, going to the small pub in the evening where everyone knows everyone, and next year when he retires is mulling over retiring there. Apparently, as the child of Irish born citizens, he also has some form of citizenship there. His kids are also eligible for some sort of dual citizenship, and one of his retirement projects is to do the legal legwork to formalize their dual citizenship.
 

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I found 10 acres near Pentwater, right on a trout stream, wooded and pretty much what I go to Michigan for right now. Camping, cooking over open flame, beach, fishing, and hiking. I love Michigan, it's a close 4-5 hour drive from Chicago and I get away from the crazy ass people in the west burbs.
That sounds amazing
 

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Once we get these kids through school I'm eyeing some acreage with a small old ass farmhouse in the Traverse City area. Finish out my retirement growing pot, hunting, fishing and boating.
I have went Coho fishing out of Waukegan and Kenosha a few times living down there. Me and a friend at one time thought about buying a Coho boat and start a charter business when we retired. I would think that would be something pretty cool to do on that side of Lake Michigan. Not that I want to start a charter business anymore , but just to go out and enjoy the fishing. Wife comes from a family of fisherman and loves to fish as well. Another plus here is that we love smoking fish. Living in Michigan would work , but i would definitely need a Coho boat to convince the wife. She has mentioned out of all the toys i have , that a boat would be # 1. @PaytonHighstep
 

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One buddy is halve Irish, halve Italian...he's been to Ireland twice and loved it, though he stayed more cities when he went. Favorite story: when they were dropped back at the airport, my buddy paid the fare with a nice tip and the cabbie told them to come back and bring their friends. Tipping practices are very different in Europe, and the cabbie explained that most Americans tip kinda subconsciously and they love it over there.

Another buddy is the son of Irish immigrants...he's been there many times, and stays with family on their very rural farm...he loves it as well, the rural lifestyle, going to the small pub in the evening where everyone knows everyone, and next year when he retires is mulling over retiring there. Apparently, as the child of Irish born citizens, he also has some form of citizenship there. His kids are also eligible for some sort of dual citizenship, and one of his retirement projects is to do the legal legwork to formalize their dual citizenship.

most European countries you can get dual citizenship if you’re like 2 generations or less removed from the country. My buddy has it for Ireland as well
 

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I have a close friend who moved to Ghana that wants us to build a home there and live out the rest of our days. Right now the *only* reason I'm staying in Illinois, is because just west of chicago is the electronics prototyping capital of the world, even more than anywhere in Asia. So we're actually trying to get some people together to leave the country, move to a developing part of the world and not only improve our lives, but help their infastructure as well. My wife and I are fortunate to have skills that can find income anywhere on the planet without requiring any gate-keeper structure to protect our jobs.

Is a jump to Africa the answer? No idea. Above all, plant your seeds someplace where you have a support system in place. Without support, friends, family, something to help you settle in, even the best places on earth will hurt your experiences significantly.
Have you travelled to Africa before? There is really nothing like it. I have not been to Ghana (or anywhere in West Africa for that matter), so any judgments from my travels there are a bit silly. It would be like going to Florida and then pretending you know about life in British Columbia.

Either way, during my thoroughly misspent youth I travelled (mostly...there were a few boats, a bus or two and a twenty mile walk) by train from Cape Town to Zanzibar. I was Couchsurfing and staying in oddball hostels run by expatriate Rhodesians the whole way. I wasn't prepared for how raw it was. I initially few into Johannesburg and due to flight delays I got in at 1AM. So here I was some young twentysomething white kid taking an unlicensed gypsy cab through the Alexandra township to what I seriously hoped were my Couchsurfing hosts in Sandton (I had never met them before, I couldn't be totally sure they existed). I was so scared the cab ride would be my last and then waiting outside their walled compound hoping the wife would come out and get me. From that moment I lost all confidence that I had the mental fortitude and courage to actually make the trip.

But Africa really is a state of mind and eventually I learned to just have the same trust in my wildly unfamiliar surroundings that I would anywhere else. Once you learn to embrace it its incredible, unlike anything else. Hope you make it happen.
 

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Settling overseas is tough. I've tried a couple times and it never really took, I just never quite felt like I was home. Its a very subtle nagging feeling. Even though I was working and paying bills and saving for a mortgage it always felt a tiny bit like a holiday. Eventually it eats at you to the point where you just pack up and move back. I've spent extended periods of time on all the continents (including the big frozen one on the bottom of the planet) and nowhere has really had the same feeling of just being in America.

Still willing to take long three months vacations or take jobs overseas, but unless its for love there's nowhere else I will live full time.
 

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Have you travelled to Africa before? There is really nothing like it. I have not been to Ghana (or anywhere in West Africa for that matter), so any judgments from my travels there are a bit silly. It would be like going to Florida and then pretending you know about life in British Columbia.

Either way, during my thoroughly misspent youth I travelled (mostly...there were a few boats, a bus or two and a twenty mile walk) by train from Cape Town to Zanzibar. I was Couchsurfing and staying in oddball hostels run by expatriate Rhodesians the whole way. I wasn't prepared for how raw it was. I initially few into Johannesburg and due to flight delays I got in at 1AM. So here I was some young twentysomething white kid taking an unlicensed gypsy cab through the Alexandra township to what I seriously hoped were my Couchsurfing hosts in Sandton (I had never met them before, I couldn't be totally sure they existed). I was so scared the cab ride would be my last and then waiting outside their walled compound hoping the wife would come out and get me. From that moment I lost all confidence that I had the mental fortitude and courage to actually make the trip.

But Africa really is a state of mind and eventually I learned to just have the same trust in my wildly unfamiliar surroundings that I would anywhere else. Once you learn to embrace it its incredible, unlike anything else. Hope you make it happen.


It's truly an unreal place. First time I was in Sudan/Darfur on a peace deployment, and of course, we connected through Egypt, but I didn't get the full experience in Egypt at the time. Whole different purpose for a visit, very hard to gauge anything, and I never went back.

Later went to Cote/Ghana. Very different than Sudan. Mozambique and South Africa as well. South Africa isn't much of a culture shock, if you're used to traveling. You adapt quick IMO. Cape Town was ok. That's the best major in SA. Johannesburg isn't for me, real trashy place. I wouldn't want to live in South Africa, even though as mixed person with a mixed brown skinned wife(half canadian euro mutt, half armenian), we would likely blend in more there than most of the US. But we don't want to live there for the rest of out lives. Mozambique is still mostly a guide-recommended place for Americans, which is nice on one hand, but so limiting. No matter where we went, same deal. Universal languages only, food, sleep, shit, even Maputo. Great place though, just hard to explore.

If I move out of the country, I'm going somewhere that we can legally own a good chunk of land outright, fee simple and full mineral, and don't need to get $30,000 worth of permits and $3000 worth of inspections for a $50k material/labor building like any non-cheapo pre-planned home like here in Illinois. My friend was able to build his home in a few months, high end craftsmanship, fully inspected, no problems at all, still some layers of bureaucracy, but not like the bulk of the US. Of course, with that kind of savings he built a passive home. Living in Africa, no heat, no AC. Never needed because the home is actually built by people who look at R-Values first, sustainable materials, and building to match the geology of the plot, not the 'county', which was my biggest fight when I built my rammed earth home ~15 years ago. So yep, west coast is pretty much the only place we would consider in Africa.
 

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It's truly an unreal place. First time I was in Sudan/Darfur on a peace deployment, and of course, we connected through Egypt, but I didn't get the full experience in Egypt at the time. Whole different purpose for a visit, very hard to gauge anything, and I never went back.

Later went to Cote/Ghana. Very different than Sudan. Mozambique and South Africa as well. South Africa isn't much of a culture shock, if you're used to traveling. You adapt quick IMO. Cape Town was ok. That's the best major in SA. Johannesburg isn't for me, real trashy place. I wouldn't want to live in South Africa, even though as mixed person with a mixed brown skinned wife(half canadian euro mutt, half armenian), we would likely blend in more there than most of the US. But we don't want to live there for the rest of out lives. Mozambique is still mostly a guide-recommended place for Americans, which is nice on one hand, but so limiting. No matter where we went, same deal. Universal languages only, food, sleep, shit, even Maputo. Great place though, just hard to explore.

If I move out of the country, I'm going somewhere that we can legally own a good chunk of land outright, fee simple and full mineral, and don't need to get $30,000 worth of permits and $3000 worth of inspections for a $50k material/labor building like any non-cheapo pre-planned home like here in Illinois. My friend was able to build his home in a few months, high end craftsmanship, fully inspected, no problems at all, still some layers of bureaucracy, but not like the bulk of the US. Of course, with that kind of savings he built a passive home. Living in Africa, no heat, no AC. Never needed because the home is actually built by people who look at R-Values first, sustainable materials, and building to match the geology of the plot, not the 'county', which was my biggest fight when I built my rammed earth home ~15 years ago. So yep, west coast is pretty much the only place we would consider in Africa.
You ever check out Malawi? Zomba is a really nice little college town and Blantyre has that old school colonial-era charm with a lot of old European settler families, but since its Malawi it never gets weird or racialist like things did in South Africa or Zimbabwe. Warm heart of Africa, really it is. Tons of Peace Corps volunteers there, I kept getting marked as one because of my long hair (and being white).

South Africa is shockingly industrial. Especially when contrasted with anywhere else I've been on the continent. In some ways its like metro Chicago with its sprawling rail yards and colossal mills, well at least Johannesburg. The violence though is truly jarring, I've never been anywhere even near as hostile as Jozi. People are nice though, once they find out you're American its very disarming. I went to an emigration party for an Anglo-Afrikaner couple leaving to Western Australia, a very odd cultural thing. Also there's the insane levels of inequality and segregation, which is truly baffling to Americans. But you can go places like Maboneng and see the future South Africa sees for itself on display. I could go on forever about it, I was endlessly interesting in trying to understand South Africa when I was there.

Either way, regarding the odious rules and graft of life in Illinois, there are plenty of places in this country you can go to escape too. I'm sure you know all about that, though.
 

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From when I was 12 until recently, I always wanted to live in the Pacific Northwest. I say until recently because the region has been overrun by high pay tech workers and real estate prices have exploded, so the desire to move there has lessened.

Colorado is another state that had PNW vibes in which I could experience city life and never be far from a nice mountain hike. But it's beginning to get the same problems as the PNW with exploding real estate prices.

I am no where near retirement and thus not thinking of such things at this point, plus I am locked into the house I bought, my family is all here, so I have no desire to move any time soon, or possibly ever.

Can't say where I'd moved if it were overseas, I loved Bavaria, Germany when I went there last year and could certainly see myself living there if I could totally learn the language (took 4 years in high school, but never learned to speak it fluently by any means).
Bavaria is very nice, I have lived here for just over 30 years. I can highly recommend it! I have lived in Germany for the last 40 years, so I am biased. I do not miss Indiana at all.
 

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Bavaria is very nice, I have lived here for just over 30 years. I can highly recommend it! I have lived in Germany for the last 40 years, so I am biased. I do not miss Indiana at all.
What region of Bavaria do you live in?
 

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The wife and I have been talking lately of moving. I retired early so I don't need to move for job relocation, but I do have young children to raise . Wife works but it's not something that would hold us down. My oldest daughter wants us to move closer to her and my grandson. My criteria would be someplace with good schools, low crime, and not tax my pensions like friggin Wisconsin does me .The states i mentioned are suppose to be more tax friendly at retirement age. I will be taking my social security at 62 when that day comes so that's another tax situation to look at .
Places we searched have been like Bend Oregon, Wyoming,Montana,Washington, Iowa , South Dakota, and the wife is pushing Fernandina Beach in the states or back to the Philippines province where she grew up. It might be a ploy. She said they have American Schools and they are good schools, plus my kids would have dual citizenship, and we could live very very nice I'm told.
It don't have to be a place you retire but where would you like to live??? Give me some ideas...

Not exactly the same, but I'm in a similar living situation to you Lou. I married Chinese, we "own" a flat in Shanghai (technically a 99 year lease with the government because 'communism'), live most of the year stateside, and have a young kid. We looked in to the school situation in Shanghai - they have the same "international schools" either American or British that are highly regarded - in case we wanted to spend more time overseas on a more permanent basis than what we currently do for work. But these schools all have 30k-50k USD equivalent tuition. On top of that - you're still a US citizen so you're going to be paying tax on all income over $108k even if you're abroad. These 2 items were a big turn off for our situation, and things would have to get pretty desperate stateside before the pros outweigh those large cons. I would really look into the school situation before you take anyones word on it. We went out to and visited the campus of one, and it looked just like Lake Forest High School from 20+ years ago with fantastic facilities and even a fucking 15m climbing wall, but it came with a ~ $47k yearly tuition. That alone offsets the COL difference between the states and over there.
 

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