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The argument goes, "well look at what Foles is doing in this offense so it must be Nagy".
Lets break it down. Foles caught lighting in a bottle for 1 year and the other year when he was good he was playing in a gimmick offense that had not been figured out by defenses yet (sound familiar? Think Mitch in 2018). Besides the 2 years of success, besides the occasional good performance here or there (spotty) Foles has been mostly an average to poor quarterback throughout HIS WHOLE CAREER. That's one of the reasons he has been dealt away so much. The fact that he is doing poorly under Nagy proves nothing. Fact is, anyone with half a brain knew that a statue like Foles would need a superior Oline to have any chance of excelling. He does not have that line so he was doomed to fail. His failure is more on Pace (lack of Oline personnel) than Nagy.
So this effectively cancels out the argument that Trubisky's failures are on Nagy "because at what Nagy has done with Foles". Foles was never good except in spurts and needs substantial support around him (Oline) that we do not have.
Lets break it down further. In its most simplest terms, playing Quarterback is about: 1). thinking quickly and accurately, and 2). basically "playing pitch and catch" in the heat of the moment. Either you can do either of those, or you can't. These skills are more "born with" and nurtured/enhanced through years and years of training from grade school up through college. These are not skills that can be acquired by crash course teaching once you arrive in the NFL. In short, you arrive with them "before" you get to the NFL.
Look at Bill Belichick this year. Turns out Tom Brady is a pretty good quarterback, isn't he? Belichick is finding that out the hard way. ITS NOT THE SYSTEM.... STUPID! Lol
DeShaun Watson had an idiot for a coach - Bill O'Brien. Watson still excelled when O'Brien was coaching him despite O'Brien clearly being boneheaded and putting him positions to fail if Watson was not as good as he is. Watson's best receiver.... his "go to" receiver was traded before this year.... and his coach was fired and changed "in season" and Watson has not missed a beat. In fact, he is making a strong case for MVP.
Whats my point? Ballers "ball out" regardless of the boneheaded coach around them. Elite players find ways to be elite, regardless of the coaching around them. Sure, a "system" can help, but the basic skills of a good quarterback an "either you have it or you don't" type deal. The good ones make good decisions and simply play "pitch and catch" in the heat of the moment. Either you have that ability to throw into tight windows consistently or you don't.... either you have that ability to anticipate and lead your receiver, or you don't.... either you possess the hand eye coordination to be accurate with your passes, or you can't do it.... either you have VISION to see the entire field, or you don't.... either you have the intelligence to quickly read a defense, or you can't. These are not system dependent traits. These are traits you come into the NFL with.... or simply don't have.
We make too much of "systems". Heck, I would be in the NFL right now if a "system" could help me bridge the talent gap between being a successful NFL QB and an NFL bust. The long and short of it is, in its most simplest terms, in the heat of the moment, Trubisky does not think very well, and he does not play "pitch and catch" very well. Those are things that no coach can give you.
The excuse being circulated on this board now that "Nagy is Trubisky's problem" is just something circling out there that was started by Trubs' fans to take him off the hook for his own poor play. Somehow that lie has been given legs on this board because Foles was supposedly the litmus test. Well Foles is the wrong guy to judge the effectiveness of this offensive coaching staff off of because unless you have: A) a new, never seen before "gimmick offense", and/or B) a rock solid offensive line around him... Foles will fail. Period. His history (before he ever became a Bear) has shown us that.
Foles' failure proves nothing about Trubisky.... and it proves very little about Nagy. Trubs is not very good because Trubs is simply not very good. He came into the NFL lacking in the traits that the good ones have. Trubs' failure is Trubs' fault -- nobody else.
Now, on to other things during my vacation week............
Lets break it down. Foles caught lighting in a bottle for 1 year and the other year when he was good he was playing in a gimmick offense that had not been figured out by defenses yet (sound familiar? Think Mitch in 2018). Besides the 2 years of success, besides the occasional good performance here or there (spotty) Foles has been mostly an average to poor quarterback throughout HIS WHOLE CAREER. That's one of the reasons he has been dealt away so much. The fact that he is doing poorly under Nagy proves nothing. Fact is, anyone with half a brain knew that a statue like Foles would need a superior Oline to have any chance of excelling. He does not have that line so he was doomed to fail. His failure is more on Pace (lack of Oline personnel) than Nagy.
So this effectively cancels out the argument that Trubisky's failures are on Nagy "because at what Nagy has done with Foles". Foles was never good except in spurts and needs substantial support around him (Oline) that we do not have.
Lets break it down further. In its most simplest terms, playing Quarterback is about: 1). thinking quickly and accurately, and 2). basically "playing pitch and catch" in the heat of the moment. Either you can do either of those, or you can't. These skills are more "born with" and nurtured/enhanced through years and years of training from grade school up through college. These are not skills that can be acquired by crash course teaching once you arrive in the NFL. In short, you arrive with them "before" you get to the NFL.
Look at Bill Belichick this year. Turns out Tom Brady is a pretty good quarterback, isn't he? Belichick is finding that out the hard way. ITS NOT THE SYSTEM.... STUPID! Lol
DeShaun Watson had an idiot for a coach - Bill O'Brien. Watson still excelled when O'Brien was coaching him despite O'Brien clearly being boneheaded and putting him positions to fail if Watson was not as good as he is. Watson's best receiver.... his "go to" receiver was traded before this year.... and his coach was fired and changed "in season" and Watson has not missed a beat. In fact, he is making a strong case for MVP.
Whats my point? Ballers "ball out" regardless of the boneheaded coach around them. Elite players find ways to be elite, regardless of the coaching around them. Sure, a "system" can help, but the basic skills of a good quarterback an "either you have it or you don't" type deal. The good ones make good decisions and simply play "pitch and catch" in the heat of the moment. Either you have that ability to throw into tight windows consistently or you don't.... either you have that ability to anticipate and lead your receiver, or you don't.... either you possess the hand eye coordination to be accurate with your passes, or you can't do it.... either you have VISION to see the entire field, or you don't.... either you have the intelligence to quickly read a defense, or you can't. These are not system dependent traits. These are traits you come into the NFL with.... or simply don't have.
We make too much of "systems". Heck, I would be in the NFL right now if a "system" could help me bridge the talent gap between being a successful NFL QB and an NFL bust. The long and short of it is, in its most simplest terms, in the heat of the moment, Trubisky does not think very well, and he does not play "pitch and catch" very well. Those are things that no coach can give you.
The excuse being circulated on this board now that "Nagy is Trubisky's problem" is just something circling out there that was started by Trubs' fans to take him off the hook for his own poor play. Somehow that lie has been given legs on this board because Foles was supposedly the litmus test. Well Foles is the wrong guy to judge the effectiveness of this offensive coaching staff off of because unless you have: A) a new, never seen before "gimmick offense", and/or B) a rock solid offensive line around him... Foles will fail. Period. His history (before he ever became a Bear) has shown us that.
Foles' failure proves nothing about Trubisky.... and it proves very little about Nagy. Trubs is not very good because Trubs is simply not very good. He came into the NFL lacking in the traits that the good ones have. Trubs' failure is Trubs' fault -- nobody else.
Now, on to other things during my vacation week............
