Who would be your #1 FA Target?

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For me it would be TE Austin Hooper from Atlanta.

There are interior lineman that are better, but there are far fewer TEs and they take longer to make an immediate impact.

The Bears need a starting TE week 1 and that is a lot to ask of a rookie. The Bears arguably have the worst TE group in the NFL in an offense that is based around the TE to develop in the draft.

I want to make the TE room go from the weakest to the strongest in the NFL. Hooper and Ebron along with a TE in the draft. Sign Ebron to a short term 2 year minimum risk deal with guarantees for production and games started. Then get Hooper mid to long range deal. Burton hasnt been healthy in 2 years and should be deemed unplayable and not competition ready until proven ready.

I also think if you draft a TE i would draft Colby Parkinson for his versatility and his ability to be on the field day 1 as a 3 down guy in the case Ebron doesnt cut it from surgery and Burton cant get his game back.

To me this is the difference in redzone efficieny, 3rd down conversions and a solid run game.

Id also love a Guard in FA and a decent OT as the first pick we take this year.
 

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For me it would be TE Austin Hooper from Atlanta.

There are interior lineman that are better, but there are far fewer TEs and they take longer to make an immediate impact.

The Bears need a starting TE week 1 and that is a lot to ask of a rookie. The Bears arguably have the worst TE group in the NFL in an offense that is based around the TE.

This offense is very similar in philosophy to KC and how they use Kelce. Just one of many reasons that the Trubisky and Mahomes comparisons are ridiculous.

i agree, it needs to be Austin Hooper. They need to either find a solution at tight end or they need a whole new offense.
 

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Thank you. Hooper is will be so overpriced and overvalued.
I just think it's a lot of money for a TE. Here's the top 10 paid TEs:

PlayerTeamAgeTotal
Value
Avg./YearTotal
Guaranteed
Fully
Guaranteed
Free
Agency
Jimmy GrahamPackers34$30,000,000$10,000,000$11,000,000$11,000,0002021 UFA
Travis KelceChiefs31$46,842,000$9,368,400$20,017,000$10,517,0002022 UFA
Jordan ReedRedskins30$46,750,000$9,350,000$22,000,000$14,000,0002022 UFA
Kyle RudolphVikings31$36,100,000$9,025,000$16,025,000$9,000,0002024 UFA
Greg OlsenPanthers35$17,100,000$8,550,000$12,115,000$12,115,0002021 UFA
Zach ErtzEagles30$42,500,000$8,500,000$20,000,000$13,318,5272022 Void
Delanie WalkerTitans36$17,000,000$8,500,000$12,760,000$10,570,0002021 UFA
Trey BurtonBears29$32,000,000$8,000,000$22,000,000$18,000,0002022 UFA
Jared CookSaints33$15,000,000$7,500,000$8,000,000$8,000,0002021 Void
Darren WallerRaiders28$298,000,004$7,450,001$16,520,004$3,220,0042024 UFA

Burton is far from the only 'underperformer' on that list. Graham, Reed, Rudolph, Olsen, Walker, Burton, and Cook are not worth the money they got. I'd even argue that Waller, with his off field issues, getting $7.45M/season after performing for only 1.5 months is a bit rich, but then again he got a grand total of $3.22M guaranteed on what was a $29.8M extension.

Personally when the Eagles extended Ertz I thought they grossly overpaid. Up until that point he was a sub par blocker who maybe broke 1 tackle a season. Now he's a sub par blocker who might break 1 tackle, but will also get you over 80 catches. Essentially he's a slot WR.

Anyway, I just am not a fan of paying the TE position. I think it's one of those positions that based on how much the blocking to receiving ask varies they are largely system dependent. For me, you take Zach Ertz and put him in a blocking intensive system and he's just not worth his contract.

Look at the 3 best in the league and where they came to their respective teams:

Travis Kelce - 3rd round pick
George Kittle - 5th round pick
Zach Ertz - 2nd round pick

Look at some of the recent great TEs:

Jason Witten - 3rd round
Tony Gonzalez - 1st rounder
Antonio Gates - Undrafted
Rob Gronkowski - 2nd round
Jimmy Graham (he was great with the Saints) - 3rd rounder

IMHO this isn't a position you spend money or high draft picks on. Every year spend a 3rd to 6th round pick on a TE, no different than you should with OL. If you only have functional TEs, so be it.

Maybe let's prove the point from a different direction. Here's a list of all the NFL drafts sorted only by the TE position. Let's look at all the TEs selected in the first round over the past 10 years:

2019 - T.J. Hockenson and Noah Fant - probably too early to tell. They both flashed.
2018 - Hayden Hurst
2017 - O.J. Howard, Evan Engram, David Njoku
2016 - None.
2015 - None.
2014 - Eric Ebron (look back at this entire class of TEs. Truly horrible)
2013 - Tyler Eifert
2012 - None.
2011 - None.
2010 - Jermaine Gresham

That's 9 TEs drafted in the first round. How many, based on what they have shown, are worth an extension in the realm of being a top 5 players at their respective position? IMHO, none (too early to tell for the 2019 class).

Finally, I see that I recommended getting Ebron, but also said not to pay for the position. I see Ebron as a cheaper alternative to Hooper. That $2-3M/year difference is material when you are talking about a position that shouldn't be that expensive.
 

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I just think it's a lot of money for a TE. Here's the top 10 paid TEs:

PlayerTeamAgeTotal
Value
Avg./YearTotal
Guaranteed
Fully
Guaranteed
Free
Agency
Jimmy GrahamPackers34$30,000,000$10,000,000$11,000,000$11,000,0002021 UFA
Travis KelceChiefs31$46,842,000$9,368,400$20,017,000$10,517,0002022 UFA
Jordan ReedRedskins30$46,750,000$9,350,000$22,000,000$14,000,0002022 UFA
Kyle RudolphVikings31$36,100,000$9,025,000$16,025,000$9,000,0002024 UFA
Greg OlsenPanthers35$17,100,000$8,550,000$12,115,000$12,115,0002021 UFA
Zach ErtzEagles30$42,500,000$8,500,000$20,000,000$13,318,5272022 Void
Delanie WalkerTitans36$17,000,000$8,500,000$12,760,000$10,570,0002021 UFA
Trey BurtonBears29$32,000,000$8,000,000$22,000,000$18,000,0002022 UFA
Jared CookSaints33$15,000,000$7,500,000$8,000,000$8,000,0002021 Void
Darren WallerRaiders28$298,000,004$7,450,001$16,520,004$3,220,0042024 UFA

Burton is far from the only 'underperformer' on that list. Graham, Reed, Rudolph, Olsen, Walker, Burton, and Cook are not worth the money they got. I'd even argue that Waller, with his off field issues, getting $7.45M/season after performing for only 1.5 months is a bit rich, but then again he got a grand total of $3.22M guaranteed on what was a $29.8M extension.

Personally when the Eagles extended Ertz I thought they grossly overpaid. Up until that point he was a sub par blocker who maybe broke 1 tackle a season. Now he's a sub par blocker who might break 1 tackle, but will also get you over 80 catches. Essentially he's a slot WR.

Anyway, I just am not a fan of paying the TE position. I think it's one of those positions that based on how much the blocking to receiving ask varies they are largely system dependent. For me, you take Zach Ertz and put him in a blocking intensive system and he's just not worth his contract.

Look at the 3 best in the league and where they came to their respective teams:

Travis Kelce - 3rd round pick
George Kittle - 5th round pick
Zach Ertz - 2nd round pick

Look at some of the recent great TEs:

Jason Witten - 3rd round
Tony Gonzalez - 1st rounder
Antonio Gates - Undrafted
Rob Gronkowski - 2nd round
Jimmy Graham (he was great with the Saints) - 3rd rounder

IMHO this isn't a position you spend money or high draft picks on. Every year spend a 3rd to 6th round pick on a TE, no different than you should with OL. If you only have functional TEs, so be it.

Maybe let's prove the point from a different direction. Here's a list of all the NFL drafts sorted only by the TE position. Let's look at all the TEs selected in the first round over the past 10 years:

2019 - T.J. Hockenson and Noah Fant - probably too early to tell. They both flashed.
2018 - Hayden Hurst
2017 - O.J. Howard, Evan Engram, David Njoku
2016 - None.
2015 - None.
2014 - Eric Ebron (look back at this entire class of TEs. Truly horrible)
2013 - Tyler Eifert
2012 - None.
2011 - None.
2010 - Jermaine Gresham

That's 9 TEs drafted in the first round. How many, based on what they have shown, are worth an extension in the realm of being a top 5 players at their respective position? IMHO, none (too early to tell for the 2019 class).

Finally, I see that I recommended getting Ebron, but also said not to pay for the position. I see Ebron as a cheaper alternative to Hooper. That $2-3M/year difference is material when you are talking about a position that shouldn't be that expensive.
Again totally agree I think the the sweet spot for TEs is in the mid round of the draft (3-5). I was just way too lazy to type any of that.
 

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I started a thread on this awhile back. Got roasted by some, but others agreed it makes sense. Floyd for OJ Howard and use the 2 seconds on an OT and OLB if the board falls favorably.
 

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I just think it's a lot of money for a TE. Here's the top 10 paid TEs:

PlayerTeamAgeTotal
Value
Avg./YearTotal
Guaranteed
Fully
Guaranteed
Free
Agency
Jimmy GrahamPackers34$30,000,000$10,000,000$11,000,000$11,000,0002021 UFA
Travis KelceChiefs31$46,842,000$9,368,400$20,017,000$10,517,0002022 UFA
Jordan ReedRedskins30$46,750,000$9,350,000$22,000,000$14,000,0002022 UFA
Kyle RudolphVikings31$36,100,000$9,025,000$16,025,000$9,000,0002024 UFA
Greg OlsenPanthers35$17,100,000$8,550,000$12,115,000$12,115,0002021 UFA
Zach ErtzEagles30$42,500,000$8,500,000$20,000,000$13,318,5272022 Void
Delanie WalkerTitans36$17,000,000$8,500,000$12,760,000$10,570,0002021 UFA
Trey BurtonBears29$32,000,000$8,000,000$22,000,000$18,000,0002022 UFA
Jared CookSaints33$15,000,000$7,500,000$8,000,000$8,000,0002021 Void
Darren WallerRaiders28$298,000,004$7,450,001$16,520,004$3,220,0042024 UFA

Burton is far from the only 'underperformer' on that list. Graham, Reed, Rudolph, Olsen, Walker, Burton, and Cook are not worth the money they got. I'd even argue that Waller, with his off field issues, getting $7.45M/season after performing for only 1.5 months is a bit rich, but then again he got a grand total of $3.22M guaranteed on what was a $29.8M extension.

Personally when the Eagles extended Ertz I thought they grossly overpaid. Up until that point he was a sub par blocker who maybe broke 1 tackle a season. Now he's a sub par blocker who might break 1 tackle, but will also get you over 80 catches. Essentially he's a slot WR.

Anyway, I just am not a fan of paying the TE position. I think it's one of those positions that based on how much the blocking to receiving ask varies they are largely system dependent. For me, you take Zach Ertz and put him in a blocking intensive system and he's just not worth his contract.

Look at the 3 best in the league and where they came to their respective teams:

Travis Kelce - 3rd round pick
George Kittle - 5th round pick
Zach Ertz - 2nd round pick

Look at some of the recent great TEs:

Jason Witten - 3rd round
Tony Gonzalez - 1st rounder
Antonio Gates - Undrafted
Rob Gronkowski - 2nd round
Jimmy Graham (he was great with the Saints) - 3rd rounder

IMHO this isn't a position you spend money or high draft picks on. Every year spend a 3rd to 6th round pick on a TE, no different than you should with OL. If you only have functional TEs, so be it.

Maybe let's prove the point from a different direction. Here's a list of all the NFL drafts sorted only by the TE position. Let's look at all the TEs selected in the first round over the past 10 years:

2019 - T.J. Hockenson and Noah Fant - probably too early to tell. They both flashed.
2018 - Hayden Hurst
2017 - O.J. Howard, Evan Engram, David Njoku
2016 - None.
2015 - None.
2014 - Eric Ebron (look back at this entire class of TEs. Truly horrible)
2013 - Tyler Eifert
2012 - None.
2011 - None.
2010 - Jermaine Gresham

That's 9 TEs drafted in the first round. How many, based on what they have shown, are worth an extension in the realm of being a top 5 players at their respective position? IMHO, none (too early to tell for the 2019 class).

Finally, I see that I recommended getting Ebron, but also said not to pay for the position. I see Ebron as a cheaper alternative to Hooper. That $2-3M/year difference is material when you are talking about a position that shouldn't be that expensive.

6 of the 9 teams you mentioned are playoff teams.

Those players stats dont tell the entire story.

How teams tried to stop them is the story. Double teams and matchups that might have favored other offensive targets on their teams.

This only looks at things from 1 perspective.
 

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The TE position already has 8 million in Burton. You want to push that number to nearly 20 million on a position that has less than 100 catches for all players over 2 seasons?

2 seasons has proven that the KC lite isn't working here in Chicago. Throwing more money down that hole is stupid.

The focal pieces of the offense are A-Rob, Monty and Cohen. Either get a lineman to make those 3 better or put the money into a pass rusher.

They already have 37 million invested at pass rusher.

A functional TE makes everyone on offense better. Makes life easier for Robinson, better blocking for Monty.

Cohen sucks.
 

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go get the best guard you can afford in FA and bring in the best OT competition you can. Then a TE to that can start
 

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Kittle 43-515
Fant 40-562
D. Allen 45-521
J Reed 45-499

Don't know what you guys are expecting, but those are very solid numbers for a TE, much less a rookie. Especially when you consider Robinson put up nearly 100/1200 and Anthony Miller had a 6-game sample size that projects to 88/1150. when his QB play was decent toward the end of the season. It's not like you wait 2-3 years and every TE turns into Travis Kelce or George Kittle. And say what you want about Nagy's offense being centered around the TE.....Trubisky played better (the last 2 years) when the TE was just a complimentary part of the offense.

Do the 100 guys who sucked that were drafted over that time.
 

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Graham Glasgow is the most realistic, high level free agent option the Bears can go after at a position of need.

Dependable, tough, disciplined that won't completely break the bank.
 

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They already have 37 million invested at pass rusher.

A functional TE makes everyone on offense better. Makes life easier for Robinson, better blocking for Monty.

Cohen sucks.

Yes agreed.

If you havent watched a phenomenal blocking TE and what it can do for a runner and QB watch Colby Parkinson. He gives you tons of space of you can win up front with your 5 down linemen.

Hes not a fuild or fast guy but hes a complete player as far as tight ends go. That makes it 10x easier to adjust to the NFL game because youre already a 3 down guy.
 

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For me it would be TE Austin Hooper from Atlanta.

There are interior lineman that are better, but there are far fewer TEs and they take longer to make an immediate impact.

The Bears need a starting TE week 1 and that is a lot to ask of a rookie. The Bears arguably have the worst TE group in the NFL in an offense that is based around the TE.

I know you want to know which player, but I'll just say I think we need the best RG in FA... cause that's the best we can do for this team, and besides a 2nd Rd OT or G, it's the only thing we can do about the OL.

We also need a great TE from FA. I think it's possible Burton can play as well as his first year here, but like with Shaheen being productive, you can't plan on it. We're also getting Brauneker, Holtz and Holstead back (if they want). Just saying RG is higher on my list.

We also need a 10-sack FA OLB, which is a tall order, but Bears have to try. You can't have only one OLB who can get to the QB.
 

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how the hell we got $37 million invested in pass rush and can't get to the qb
 

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how the hell we got $37 million invested in pass rush and can't get to the qb
You do realize that one of the guys that gets to the QB the best was out most of the year right?
 

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6 of the 9 teams you mentioned are playoff teams.

Those players stats dont tell the entire story.

How teams tried to stop them is the story. Double teams and matchups that might have favored other offensive targets on their teams.

This only looks at things from 1 perspective.

Also, the point about drafting them in the mid rounds is fair.

But you have to be ready for the fact that you miss on a ton of guys. For every Kittle and Kelce there is 15 Shaheens.

I am not sure we can afford to a] rely on Pace's draft evaluation, b] hope that whoever he picks is ready week 1.
 

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