Bears have only 10% chance of winning a Super Bowl in the next 3 years says TheScore

[iueyedoc]

The areas where Mitch falls short appear to be ones that are hard to change. Specifically I see him struggle when the timing of a play is disrupted and he has to improvise outside of tucking and running with the ball. In that respect he's similar to Kirk Cousins. As the play breaks down and it becomes 'backyard' football his chance of hurting his team increases.

That's where I see those 'WTF' type throws that leave you scratching your head. The best way to curb that is to just get a rid of the ball when it's not there. The problem there is you want the player to stay being aggressive, so how to you promote being aggressive but also ask mid-play to shut that down and just end the play?

He certainly had more WTF throws than you would like, but I am not sure it was a function of him improvising. I seem to remember him having a very high outside the pocket rating. I could only find this one from mid season, unless it fell of drastically.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1052203849027637251

 

[CNiel36]

I don’t fancy myself one. In fact I’m very unbiased on this whole thing. I’m only interested in the facts.

Still waiting for your first use of FACTS in this thread. FYI, Facts don't equal some sports writers opinion.

 

[CRM 114]

Not really. Mayfield hasn't shown to be better than Trubisky. The rest of the team has not shown to be as good as the Bears, yet he has the Browns having a better chance. The Packers have not shown to have a better surrounding cast for Rodgers. It's all his projection based on opinions. No facts at all. If he wanted to merely rank the teams most likely to win the superbowl in the next 5 years, while he would still be basing it on his opinion, it would atleast not look as Special person. To put percentage numbers next to it though is ridiculous. I am not sure the percentages add up properly. They seem too low for everyone.

Edit - atleast it does add up to 300. they got that right atleast.

Packers finally have a decent running back and some nice defensive pieces. And they still have the great Aaron Rodgers and the always dependable Davante Adams. They could easily be better than the Bears. So could Cleveland if Hunt keeps his hands to himself and Baker and OBJ spend more time on football and less time posting nonsense on Twitter every time Colin Cowherd mentions them.

 

[CNiel36]

Packers finally have a decent running back and some nice defensive pieces. And they still have the great Aaron Rodgers and the always dependable Davante Adams. They could easily be better than the Bears. So could Cleveland if Hunt keeps his hands to himself and Baker and OBJ spend more time on football and less time posting nonsense on Twitter every time Colin Cowherd mentions them.

And the Bears could easily be better then both. Hence opinions....

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[gallagher]

Packers finally have a decent running back and some nice defensive pieces. And they still have the great Aaron Rodgers and the always dependable Davante Adams. They could easily be better than the Bears. So could Cleveland if Hunt keeps his hands to himself and Baker and OBJ spend more time on football and less time posting nonsense on Twitter every time Colin Cowherd mentions them.

I'm fully on the Browns train, and OBJ makes them a favorite in my book.

I'm not gonna poke fun at the odds but they're easily the division favorite. And if you can win your division, you have a chance at the big game. I'd love to see Mayfield rise to the occasion and top NE or Indy or whoever in the conference champ round

 

[CNiel36]

I'm fully on the Browns train, and OBJ makes them a favorite in my book.

I'm not gonna poke fun at the odds but they're easily the division favorite. And if you can win your division, you have a chance at the big game. I'd love to see Mayfield rise to the occasion and top NE or Indy or whoever in the conference champ round

I don't know top notch WRs don't normally equal good teams. Give me the Ravens in the AFC North.

 

[Black Rainbow]

Based on what? Anyone seeing the monumental improvement from Yr1 to Yr2 and yet can't imagine him getting better, clearly is choosing to ignore what is most likely future outcome. You claim you don't want him to fail, but you sure as hell are ignoring every single statistic to make your case that he won't.

Sure seems like you want him to fail. Just sayin'.


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Yeah, I don't see any sign that his arrow is pointing up.

But so many of you guys said that Trubisky was being handcuffed by Fox's prehistoric offense, so how could anyone claim true year to year growth, when according to many his growth was stunted, and he was lucky not to be ruined by Fox?

Supposedly, his rookie numbers would have been better if Fox wasn't there.

You've even got some here who think Mahomes wouldn't have become the QB he is if he was coached by Fox.

 

[Black Rainbow]

You mean he regressed coming off a shoulder injury shocker!?!?! And even this is untrue. He had one of his best games against the Lions on 11/18 (QB Rating = 148.). Then got hurt in the Vikes game which contributed to his poor play. They missed 2 games due to injury and came back to early. Played like crap against the Rams trying to push his shoulder.

The next 4 games QB rating were 120, 114, 86, & 95. All 4 W's. His last game against the Eagles, played like crap in the first half and had a great second half.

So what does that mean? It means his shoulder was banged up the back half of the season, and he and Nagy had to relearn what he could do on that bad shoulder. Go watch the 4th quarter of the eagles game again and tell me this isn't a player that can be a top QB in a few years?

I'm not picking on this reply directly, but I find it interesting how some posters think Watson, after coming off a torn ACL, has "leveled off" and is what he is. And Trubisky gets a pass for some uninspired quarters after a shoulder bruise.

 

[CNiel36]

I'm not picking on this reply directly, but I find it interesting how some posters think Watson, after coming off a torn ACL, has "leveled off" and is what he is. And Trubisky gets a pass for some uninspired quarters after a shoulder bruise.

Well since you quoted me I am guessing you are pointing at me. I never said anything about Watson. But a torn ACL with 10 months to heal is different then a shoulder injury during the season. Watson improved as the season went on. But I think the ACL hurt him early, again is learning what you can and cant do after a injury.

 

[iueyedoc]

But so many of you guys said that Trubisky was being handcuffed by Fox's prehistoric offense, so how could anyone claim true year to year growth, when according to many his growth was stunted, and he was lucky not to be ruined by Fox?

Supposedly, his rookie numbers would have been better if Fox wasn't there.

You've even got some here who think Mahomes wouldn't have become the QB he is if he was coached by Fox.

Part of his improved statistics was surely because of the offense and personnel, but regardless of reason for his Yr 1 stats, I think he played well in Yr 2, esp considering his experience level. I liked his skill set out of college and think it translates well to sustainable success and longevity at the NFL level. If someone thinks otherwise fine, but CRM's characterization of MT as a "shitty" QB is laughable and obtuse.

 

[number51]

You claim you don't want him to fail, but you sure as hell are ignoring every single statistic to make your case that he won't.

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2018*	24	CHI	QB	10	14	14	11-3-0	289	434	66.6	3223	24	5.5	12	2.8	70	7.4	7.3	11.2	230.2	95.4	72.8	24	143	6.72	6.59	5.2	1	2	13
Career				26	26	15-11-0	485	764	63.5	5416	31	4.1	19	2.5	70	7.1	6.8	11.2	208.3	87.7		55	339	6.20	5.91	6.7	1	3	20

Every single statistic? mole eye's interception percentage went up.

 

[iueyedoc]

Every single statistic? mole eye's interception percentage went up.

Yeah, figured the point was made and I was too lazy to type "every statistic except INT % which went up and Y/C which was the same."

But you fuckin' made me do it anyway. Damn it.

 

[TheWinman]

Based on what? Anyone seeing the monumental improvement from Yr1 to Yr2 and yet can't imagine him getting better, clearly is choosing to ignore what is most likely future outcome. You claim you don't want him to fail, but you sure as hell are ignoring every single statistic to make your case that he won't.

Sure seems like you want him to fail. Just sayin'.


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Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	QBrec	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	TD%	Int	Int%	Lng	Y/A	AY/A	Y/C	Y/G	Rate	QBR	Sk	Yds	NY/A	ANY/A	Sk%	4QC	GWD	AV
2017	23	CHI	QB	10	12	12	4-8-0	196	330	59.4	2193	7	2.1	7	2.1	70	6.6	6.1	11.2	182.8	77.5	31.6	31	196	5.53	5.05	8.6	0	1	7
2018*	24	CHI	QB	10	14	14	11-3-0	289	434	66.6	3223	24	5.5	12	2.8	70	7.4	7.3	11.2	230.2	95.4	72.8	24	143	6.72	6.59	5.2	1	2	13
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Yeah, I don't see any sign that his arrow is pointing up.

And last year was year one in a new system that Nagy has said takes 3 years to master. DOme people don't get it.

 

[TheWinman]

You mean he regressed coming off a shoulder injury shocker!?!?! And even this is untrue. He had one of his best games against the Lions on 11/18 (QB Rating = 148.). Then got hurt in the Vikes game which contributed to his poor play. They missed 2 games due to injury and came back to early. Played like crap against the Rams trying to push his shoulder.

The next 4 games QB rating were 120, 114, 86, & 95. All 4 W's. His last game against the Eagles, played like crap in the first half and had a great second half.

So what does that mean? It means his shoulder was banged up the back half of the season, and he and Nagy had to relearn what he could do on that bad shoulder. Go watch the 4th quarter of the eagles game again and tell me this isn't a player that can be a top QB in a few years?

Exact ly. The Lions and Vikings would love to have a QB that can be that clutch in the 4th quarter of a big game

 

[Pegger]

He certainly had more WTF throws than you would like, but I am not sure it was a function of him improvising. I seem to remember him having a very high outside the pocket rating. I could only find this one from mid season, unless it fell of drastically.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1052203849027637251

Outside the pocket is another stat that has to be taken in perspective of the respective offenses.

The OC/HC can have designed roll outs where the QB has a smaller amount of the field to process while increasing the likelihood of success. Maybe to compare it's like designing timing throws, but to avoid the rush the timing involves 5 steps to the right.

My comments on Mitch are not exclusive to being outside the pocket. When he's in the pocket and the first 2 reads aren't good typically the end result isn't that good. This is the opposite of guys like Rivers who stand in there and get better as the coverage starts to break down.

Kinda like throwing with touch it's something a QB has or doesn't have. They can improve by practice, but I find it's best for the playcaller to know their QBs limitations and just avoid them at all costs.

 

[Pegger]

Exact ly. The Lions and Vikings would love to have a QB that can be that clutch in the 4th quarter of a big game

Not throwing cold water over the excitement but there was a while where Mark Sanchez was regarded as the next big thing because he was so clutch in the big games (especially the playoffs).

Shortly after that was the foot man's Sanchise tattoo, butt fumble, then he just became a running joke.

Let's hold off on anointing him as a clutch leader and give him a bit more time to show what he is.

 

[Black Rainbow]

Exact ly. The Lions and Vikings would love to have a QB that can be that clutch in the 4th quarter of a big game

Is clutch a thing in a game where the offense didn't score any points until the 9:09 mark of the 4th quarter in a playoff game they lost? That's clutch?

 

[TheWinman]

Not throwing cold water over the excitement but there was a while where Mark Sanchez was regarded as the next big thing because he was so clutch in the big games (especially the playoffs).

Shortly after that was the foot man's Sanchise tattoo, butt fumble, then he just became a running joke.

Let's hold off on anointing him as a clutch leader and give him a bit more time to show what he is.

He was clutch in the 4th quarter of that game, tha 's all I said about him. Stafford and Cousins have never been that clutch in big games. That is far from me anointing him clutch leader, very far.

 

[TheWinman]

Is clutch a thing in a game where the offense didn't score any points until the 9:09 mark of the 4th quarter in a playoff game you lost? That's clutch?

Maybe you should join the rewatch party when they get to the playoff game. Sorry, You are not worth the time to explain it. And oh year, Trubs did his part for the win late in the game, the loss was on double doink

 

[Black Rainbow]

Maybe you should join the rewatch party when they get to the playoff game. Sorry, You are not worth the time to explain it. And oh year, Trubs did his part for the win late in the game, the loss was on double doink

Not scoring for three quarters and forcing the defense to play a near perfect game isn't "doing your part" as a QB. Maybe you have super low standards or blacked out for the first three quarters.