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Congrats to Lee Smith. Most terrifying closer in my lifetime.
Congrats to Lee Smith. Most terrifying closer in my lifetime.
I guess the "Today's Game Era Committee" is simply code for "Committee to find some recent players who weren't on steroids", with the irony being that Tony LaRussa is on the committee.
At least Smith has a better resume than Harold Baines (LOL), but this seems to be less than merited
Neither Baines nor Smith deserve to be in the HOF.
Hall of Accumulated Numbers, maybe.
I expect a HOF closer to be someone you at least felt confident would get the save each time you saw him coming in.
Neither Baines nor Smith deserve to be in the HOF.
Hall of Accumulated Numbers, maybe.
I expect a HOF closer to be someone you at least felt confident would get the save each time you saw him coming in.
Neither Baines nor Smith deserve to be in the HOF.
Hall of Accumulated Numbers, maybe.
I expect a HOF closer to be someone you at least felt confident would get the save each time you saw him coming in.
And each time Lee entered you thought the game was over.
Baines retired as the best DH of all time. Anyone that does that to me should be enshrined.
Agree with this. Smith's greatest attribute was his durability...long arms, big hands, muscular legs, never really had any arm troubles. But I never viewed him as a "this game is over" type of closer. He had two seasons with the Cubs where he had double-digit losses, and a third year with 9 losses, yet he made the ASG in 2 of those years. Maybe he was more "dominant" after leaving Chicago (although the numbers don't suggest this), but I remember Lee Smith being far from consistent closer.
And each time Lee entered you thought the game was over.
Baines retired as the best DH of all time. Anyone that does that to me should be enshrined.
And each time Lee entered you thought the game was over.
Baines retired as the best DH of all time. Anyone that does that to me should be enshrined.
When I think terrifying closer, the names Wagner, Rivera, and Hoffman come to mind.
Not Lee Smith.
"HOF induction should be primarily based on my gut feelings about closer reliability."
More on "my idea" of a HOF.
I tend to think of HOF players as guys I see every year in the All Star Game.
Certainly All star voting, done by fans, is a very poor system. But in a 20 year career, I expect to see a HOF actually in an ASG and as a starter (in Baines' case). Is that unrealistic?
Harold Baines had a career in which fans outside of Chicago could wonder who he was when he retired. He has definitely had a great PR firm working for him, because while he was a consistently good player, he is nowhere close to HOF level.
I don't believe Edgar Martinez, Dale Murphy or Fred McGriff belong in the HOF, but all are far better than Harold Baines. Jim Edmonds will be making a case if Baines is in.
In the MVP vote, guys get lots of credit for playing good D as another weight on the scale on whether they are most valuable. Nor in a HOF vote, the fact that a guy can't play the field at all doesn't weigh in?
If you are a DH, and want to be a HOF player, you better crush the ball. Baines didn't. He was actually pretty "meh". But he played a lot of games. Whoopie.
And each time Lee entered you thought the game was over.