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I re-watched him manhandle USC today. Inside at 3 technique, outside against the poor LT who go bullrushed into his QB 3-4 times.
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Go watch him shit all over Lewan in 2012. One sack he literally walks Lewan backwards with one arm and sacks Robinson with his free hand.(I'm pretty sure that was on Lewan).
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Ive seen Hageman rated as the #2 OAL DT prospect by some respected draft anlysts. He's highly regarded as a back half of the 1st round prospect. He fits Phil's historical profile of coveted prospects, and fits a huge need on the Bears. I expect he will be VERY high on the Bears Big Board, and would not be the least suprised (or disappointed) if is picked at #14. Would be incredibly similar to the Long pick last year, someone who many people agree has loads of potenial, but some definite question marks. Size, Speed, Athletic freak. Some people could and probalby would call it a reach, but it would be a minimal reach at best, and if he turns into a fringe pro-bowler year 1 like Long not to many people will be questioning Phil's 'reaches' going forward
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To be fair, he got on the map with a strong jr. year that included 6 sacks. He didn't have the production SR year and I otherwise agree with you.
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I wouldnt be upset either.
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I am admitedly a believer in height, weight speed when making a jump in competition.
I always looked at it like this
Things that can be changed
Attitude
Work Ethic
Scheme
Coaching
Technique
Experience
Things that cannot
Height
Body Type
Speed
Natural Strength
Athletic Ability
Length
Now that is not saying it works everytime, but I had a coach in the CFL who coached many years in the NFL say that the only thing he looks at was are you big enough, quick enough, and strong enough. Everything else he felt confident he could develop.
He once told me he liked me because I was a converted DLmen who had no idea what I was doing, therefore he could mold me the way he wanted.
Then he got fired and I got cut so who knows.
I always looked at it like this
Things that can be changed
Attitude
Work Ethic
Scheme
Coaching
Technique
Experience
Things that cannot
Height
Body Type
Speed
Natural Strength
Athletic Ability
Length
Now that is not saying it works everytime, but I had a coach in the CFL who coached many years in the NFL say that the only thing he looks at was are you big enough, quick enough, and strong enough. Everything else he felt confident he could develop.
He once told me he liked me because I was a converted DLmen who had no idea what I was doing, therefore he could mold me the way he wanted.
Then he got fired and I got cut so who knows.
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Correction. It was Schofield. Shembo pushed in Lewan's shit a few plays before.
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Here is the question.
What would be Bears fans reaction to Tuitt being picked 14?
I would be surprised as I always am by Emery 1st round picks. But I would understand and I would see the talent and upside that Emery is trying to harness.
What would be Bears fans reaction to Tuitt being picked 14?
I would be surprised as I always am by Emery 1st round picks. But I would understand and I would see the talent and upside that Emery is trying to harness.
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He is large and athletically freakish like Long, but the drive and desire is a big ? mark. Long is ferocious on the field which has allowed him to play well while still being raw. Hageman has failed to dominate on a consistent basis at a position he has played throughout college in spite of his unparallelled size and strength. Just as size and strength can't be taught, neither can intensity. Don't see him at 14 but possibly with a trade back near the 20's.
P.S. On your subsequent post about things that you can change you list attitude. If you mean a persons personality trait of intensity or ferocity, I would find that surprising you would think that being involved in higher level athletics.
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[video=youtube;2EhJdcnRBxo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EhJdcnRBxo[/video]
Here is Lewan back in 2012 versus Shembo and Tuitt. Watching this I'm shocked to see how badly he got beat many times, how Tuitt walked him back a couple times with a basic bullrush and how often Michigan gave Lewan help, either with an obvious double or some chip help by a TE/RB. I just see a guy that is pretty passive and "takes" way too much.
I'm really low on Lewan and maybe this film is stuck in my head too much but..not pretty.
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Agree and that is where my fear with Hageman comes from.
The question Emery asks is do I have the locker room, veteran players, and coaches to create the desire?
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Slight chuckle. Think it's a bit of a reach and not a great scheme fit.
Anxiously await the Packers pick.
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Would you take him over Hageman?
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Gun to my head, yes. But if I'm the Bears I'm not taking either at #14 especially with Dix or Gilbert on the board. (I'm not a huge Donald guy)
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Yeah, I'm not a Lewan fan either. I thought Alabama dominated him too. And I thought Clowney beat him too. Not that getting beat by a bunch future NFL players is a huge downgrade. I just don't think he's as good as he's made out to be. I liked all of Fisher, Joeckel and Fluker better than him last year and I would like Kouandijo more if his knees weren't scary.
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Hageman's physical abilities intrigue the hell out of me. He has things you can't teach. We have to have confidence that our coaches and locker room can keep him motivated to reach his potential.
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I'm taking Hageman over Tuitt.
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