Jake Plummer on Tim Tebow

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I wonder what his mask would look like if he were an NHL goalie?
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Are you allowed to attach 12 inch tall decorations on top of the helmet? I'm thinking big cross coming out of the top like a radio antenna.
 
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Are you allowed to attach 12 inch tall decorations on top of the helmet? I'm thinking big cross coming out of the top like a radio antenna.
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It could stop pucks, too.
 
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the power of christ would stop all pucks.
 
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These athletes who feel it's thanks to God/Jesus that they won or succeeded, I'd like to see them acknowledge their sky daddy also when they lose.



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Agreed Rosh, glad that hasnt invaded hockey yet. That prospect in Florida scares me though
 
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I'll let you guys have your Jesus bashing thread, but to those who say Tebow can't pass........you are fucking blind. Does that mean he has the best passer rating, stats, mechanics? No. But to say the guy isn't a qb who can pass is just ignorant. Look up his passing stats in college and look up his stats versus several "all-star" NFL qb's their first two years. Finally, if you want to really talk about performance, fuck the stats and just look at the wins/losses versus other superstar quarterbacks in their first two seasons. Is the kid perfect, or even a great qb at this point, nope. Does he have potential to be one of the greatest, you bet your ass.



http://bleacherreport.com/articles/952528-denvers-tim-tebow-is-the-most-underrated-quarterback-in-the-nfl
 
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No. He is a really bad QB. Great athlete, and competitor, which will get you by in college and against poor NFL competition. But he's a bad QB.





"Total QBR is a quarterback rating that takes into account all of a quarterback's contributions (passing, rushing, sacks, fumbles, penalties) to his team's scoring and winning and summarizes them into one number on a 0-100 scale, on which 50 is average."



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31. Tebow 34.6
 
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I'll let you guys have your Jesus bashing thread, but to those who say Tebow can't pass........you are fucking blind. Does that mean he has the best passer rating, stats, mechanics? No. But to say the guy isn't a qb who can pass is just ignorant. Look up his passing stats in college and look up his stats versus several "all-star" NFL qb's their first two years. Finally, if you want to really talk about performance, fuck the stats and just look at the wins/losses versus other superstar quarterbacks in their first two seasons. Is the kid perfect, or even a great qb at this point, nope. Does he have potential to be one of the greatest, you bet your ass.



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Haha, man. Stop it right there. Please. You don't know what you're talking about. He, as of now, cannot make passes that just just about any other starting QB and their BACK UP can make. I'm talking about basic passes, hitting a guy when he's open, that sort of stuff. Why do you think they're running the type of offense they are, more attune to the college game than the NFL? Because that's all he can handle with his skill set as is. Don't ever compare what a player did in college to what players do in the NFL. Entirely different beast. ENTIRELY different. Otherwise guys like Chase Daniels would be tearing up the league going on what they achieved in the NCAA and what accolades they earned there. Matt Leinart would be an All Pro, Troy Smith would be in the running for MVP. Doesn't happen that way. It's a different game.
 

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Tebow will follow all the other Gator greats, he will be nothing in the NFL.
 
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Haha, man. Stop it right there. Please. You don't know what you're talking about. He, as of now, cannot make passes that just just about any other starting QB and their BACK UP can make. I'm talking about basic passes, hitting a guy when he's open, that sort of stuff. Why do you think they're running the type of offense they are, more attune to the college game than the NFL? Because that's all he can handle with his skill set as is. Don't ever compare what a player did in college to what players do in the NFL. Entirely different beast. ENTIRELY different. Otherwise guys like Chase Daniels would be tearing up the league going on what they achieved in the NCAA and what accolades they earned there. Matt Leinart would be an All Pro, Troy Smith would be in the running for MVP. Doesn't happen that way. It's a different game.
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No shit. I know the NFL and college are completely different games. I was just posting stats from both. People who say "he can't pass" are foolish. Period.
 
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As far as changing the style of play..........which would you rather do? Lose playing by your system, or change the system to something that wins games for you?
 

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You're arguing semantics. Can he pass the ball? Yes he can pass the ball. It kinda helps to be able to do that if you're a QB for your entire college football career. That's not what people mean when they say that. It's can he pass the ball at the NFL level? Remains to be seen. And that was known years ago. We knew that. Anyone who watched him objectively knew that while he played for Florida. He completed 2 out of 8 passes in a game in which Denver won. So yeah, let's look at his W-L record and base our opinions of his skills as a QB off that because he sure is doing the heavy lifting like a Peyton Manning is when he first came into the league. Come on. You can't be serious with that. Those articles are a joke.



And what would I do? I wouldn't have put Tebow in as the starter in the first place. He's not ready for it at this level. In all honesty, his best position right now probably isn't at QB. He probably should be more like a TE/HB/FB/slot receiver hybrid specialist type of player. He's a great athlete, real bad quarterback. So to say that they have to change their style of play in order to protect and hide their QB and his deficiencies because he can't make plays an average player at that position could, all for some wins against some bad teams, that isn't saying much in support of Tebow being a good QB or of him having "the potential to be one of the greatest". That's a delusion.
 

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You're arguing semantics. Can he pass the ball? Yes he can pass the ball. It kinda helps to be able to do that if you're a QB for your entire college football career. That's not what people mean when they say that. It's can he pass the ball at the NFL level? Remains to be seen. And that was known years ago. We knew that. Anyone who watched him objectively knew that while he played for Florida. He completed 2 out of 8 passes in a game in which Denver won. So yeah, let's look at his W-L record and base our opinions of his skills as a QB off that because he sure is doing the heavy lifting like a Peyton Manning is when he first came into the league. Come on. You can't be serious with that. Those articles are a joke.



And what would I do? I wouldn't have put Tebow in as the starter in the first place. He's not ready for it at this level. In all honesty, his best position right now probably isn't at QB. He probably should be more like a TE/HB/FB/slot receiver hybrid specialist type of player. He's a great athlete, real bad quarterback. So to say that they have to change their style of play in order to protect and hide their QB and his deficiencies because he can't make plays an average player at that position could, all for some wins against some bad teams, that isn't saying much in support of Tebow being a good QB or of him having "the potential to be one of the greatest". That's a delusion.
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I just want to point out Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl. No one has EVER said he was a good quarterback, the general consensus is he sucked. But he had a winning record so that automatically makes him good right?
 

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Well I just hate W-L records of a team given credit (and criticism) to an individual in his stat sheet. What was Orton in his rookie season? Like 10-3 or something. Yeah that was all him.
 

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I agree in this case, since using Dilfer as a point, his win/loss that season is very misleading. Dilfer sucked throughout his entire career but won a Super Bowl. Which means he had a winning record that season.



Although the counter-argument is look at the Colts. They are horrid without Manning.
 

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Yeah Manning is probably the ultimate exception. Don't know if there will ever be anyone quite like him again. The Colts drafted a football coach and a Hall of Fame quarterback at the same time. And the thing about losing him for this particular season is that it puts them in the perfect position to get their next future franchise QB in Andrew Luck. The timing of it couldn't have worked out better, as bad as an injury as that is and as harsh as it may sound, Manning is turning 36 next season. With that serious neck injury and surgery along with some kind of degenerative nerve damage he's got in his throwing arm, his time is about up. And Luck can probably start straight out of college if need be. He's as close to a can't miss prospect as you can get.



Jax wants to talk about QB with potential to be great, that's the kind of player you look at and see how he's got true potential to be a great NFL quarterback. Not just because he was a good college QB, but because has the skill set necessary for the next level. Andrew Luck has that coming out of college. Same as Manning had that coming out of college. Tim Tebow, no where near. Not even close.
 
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We'll agree to disagree. I'm no fantasy football player who gives a rats about stats. I care about heart, determination, and wins. Tebow provides all of the above.



I suppose those touchdown passes he threw so far are not passes, and sure as hell weren't "good" passes.
 

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We'll agree to disagree. I'm no fantasy football player who gives a rats about stats. I care about heart, determination, and wins. Tebow provides all of the above.



I suppose those touchdown passes he threw so far are not passes, and sure as hell weren't "good" passes.
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The guy is a gladiator I don't think anyone is saying he isn't but is he going to last in the NFL as a QB? I say no. Even Grossman throws touchdowns every now and then
 
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And as we have already stated, Grossman is still in the NFL throwing them. He may not be in the top half of qb's in the league, but he has had longevity (as many others have) as an NFL qb. I'm just saying don't count Tebow out already because he loves to prove people wrong.
 
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