2015 cubs in season trades

SilenceS · Jul 29, 2015

TL1961 said:
Wow. Pot, meet kettle.

:facepalm:

PickSix · Jul 29, 2015

TC in Mississippi said:
If his control could improve, and Bosio specializes in that, he'd be at least a 3 possibly higher. His FIP this year is 2.76 and again cut down on the walks and you're talking a very, very good pitcher. Have you watched him pitch? He has great stuff and he's 28 years old with 2 1/2 years of control. What did you think of Arietta 2 years ago? Ross' numbers are better than his were. Also I'm with SilenceS, don't use W-L in an argument about a pitcher. It's silly.

Agreed. If this was last year or before I'd like this to take a chance of finding an unpolished diamond. I think we are now at a point where we should be after the can't miss.
If we are serious about getting that first title in over 100 years next year or the year after, you need two or three aces. We still need one more TOR.
If you get this guy and sign a TOR in FA, which of our top 4 now goes off the rotation? I just don't see the point on adding a maybe #3.
And get over being too intelligent to ever look at W-L. If you read my post, I included WHIP as the basis for any comparisons.

TL1961 · Jul 29, 2015

SilenceS said:
He was negative fWAR one time in his career before this year. Every other year

1.8
2.8
3.1
-.1
2.7
-.8

Among all SS, where do those numbers rank yearly?

Negative may be incorrect. Bottom of league though. Yet you see that as valuable.

Negative as he is right now means a prospect from minors would make us better. As war is defined. In every other year, it would be "any other SS would make us better".

You are splitting hairs. It's like someone said your mom weighs a ton, and you laugh at them for inaccuracy because she only weighs 1980 pounds.

SilenceS · Jul 29, 2015

TL1961 said:
Among all SS, where do those numbers rank yearly?

Negative may be incorrect. Bottom of league though. Yet you see that as valuable.

Negative as he is right now means a prospect from minors would make us better. As war is defined. In every other year, it would be "any other SS would make us better".

You are splitting hairs. It's like someone said your mom weighs a ton, and you laugh at them for inaccuracy because she only weighs 1980 pounds.

Chief Walking Stick · Jul 29, 2015

TL1961 said:
Among all SS, where do those numbers rank yearly?

Negative may be incorrect. Bottom of league though. Yet you see that as valuable.

Negative as he is right now means a prospect from minors would make us better. As war is defined. In every other year, it would be "any other SS would make us better".

You are splitting hairs. It's like someone said your mom weighs a ton, and you laugh at them for inaccuracy because she only weighs 1980 pounds.

I don't think it's actually possible for someone to weigh that much.

TL1961 · Jul 29, 2015

Parade_Rain said:
You need strong D at SS? LOL. Jeter was a SS. The team needs to hit. Castro needs to hit.

While I think many would agree Jeter didn't deserve all five of his gold gloves, none who know anything about baseball would say he wasn't good defensively.

Best, five times? Well, no.
Good? Unquestionably.

chibears55 · Jul 29, 2015

@CSNMooney: #Cubs manager Joe Maddon says he told Starlin Castro last night: "Listen, you're not getting traded. Just relax and play."

This should shut down all the Castro trade talks til at least October. ..

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Parade_Rain · Jul 29, 2015

TL1961 said:
While I think many would agree Jeter didn't deserve all five of his gold gloves, none who know anything about baseball would say he wasn't good defensively.

Best, five times? Well, no.
Good? Unquestionably.

None who know baseball? More LOL.

The bigger problem? Jeter’s defense. While he’s sure-handed, Jeter’s range has long been suspect—i.e. the balls that Jeter doesn’t reach are costing the Yankees runs. Only three times in his 20-year career did Jeter post a positive defensive WAR, which means that for most of the two decades the Yankees would have gotten better defense from a shortstop they found in AAA.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/allenst...asure-derek-jeters-greatness-or-lack-thereof/

[video=youtube;__UJ9VZB508]https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=17&v=__UJ9VZB508[/video]

TC in Mississippi · Jul 29, 2015

PickSix said:
Agreed. If this was last year or before I'd like this to take a chance of finding an unpolished diamond. I think we are now at a point where we should be after the can't miss.
If we are serious about getting that first title in over 100 years next year or the year after, you need two or three aces. We still need one more TOR.
If you get this guy and sign a TOR in FA, which of our top 4 now goes off the rotation? I just don't see the point on adding a maybe #3.
And get over being too intelligent to ever look at W-L. If you read my post, I included WHIP as the basis for any comparisons.

Ross isn't a project though. His 2.76 FIP is would be second only to Jake Arietta on the Cubs staff. He needs some improvement and doesn't preclude picking up a TOR. How would Price, Arietta, Lester, Ross, Hammel look as a rotation with Hendricks in the pen?

PickSix · Jul 29, 2015

TC in Mississippi said:
Ross isn't a project though. His 2.76 FIP is would be second only to Jake Arietta on the Cubs staff. He needs some improvement and doesn't preclude picking up a TOR. How would Price, Arietta, Lester, Ross, Hammel look as a rotation with Hendricks in the pen?

I do like that starting staff, but would be just as happy without Ross and keeping Hendricks in the rotation. Does Woody go bye bye in the Ross plan then? Not that that is horrible, but Woody seems to be a nice asset in long relief that can give you a lefty arm late in the game if absolutely necessary. Hendricks wouldn't give you that. There are only so many spots available.

TC in Mississippi · Jul 29, 2015

chibears55 said:
@CSNMooney: #Cubs manager Joe Maddon says he told Starlin Castro last night: "Listen, you're not getting traded. Just relax and play."

This should shut down all the Castro trade talks til at least October. ..

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Jesse Rogers is clarifying this a bit:

To be clear, I believe Maddon meant at that moment not a big picture declaration.

Makes a lot more sense.

brett05 · Jul 29, 2015

TC in Mississippi said:
Jesse Rogers is clarifying this a bit:

Makes a lot more sense.

Really does it matter what Joe says on this? He told Baez he was making the team out of ST. How did that go?

TC in Mississippi · Jul 29, 2015

brett05 said:
Really does it matter what Joe says on this? He told Baez he was making the team out of ST. How did that go?

Agreed. Most players know better than to think the manager knows everything the FO is doing.

beckdawg · Jul 29, 2015

UPDATE (John): Jon Heyman writes that the Padres are interested in Javier Baez in what appears to be a hastily written article -- but we'll cut him some slack since he is probably getting run ragged right now. We've been there too.

Baez simply has more value right now than Castro and while the Cubs seem to be willing to deal either player, it would appear Baez has drawn more interest from multiple teams, including the Rays.

Interesting. I'm not sure who i'd rather deal at this point between Baez and Castro.

TC in Mississippi · Jul 29, 2015

beckdawg said:
Interesting. I'm not sure who i'd rather deal at this point between Baez and Castro.

I don't know. That's a very tough call because you're selling awfully low on Castro but Baez may have figured it out with the change in his approach at the plate. If he has he could be scary.

beckdawg · Jul 29, 2015

TC in Mississippi said:
I don't know. That's a very tough call because you're selling awfully low on Castro but Baez may have figured it out with the change in his approach at the plate. If he has he could be scary.

I'm still not 100% convinced that Baez is over his issues. Obviously my thoughts on him are well known but I sort of wonder if he's just figured out AAA similar to Olt and his K issues will come back in the majors. If I'm wrong and he's truly figured it out then great and I'll be happy to be wrong but I'm just not sure how I feel about adding another guy who has a pretty real shot at being a 30% K guy to the lineup given that's largely been an issue.

TC in Mississippi · Jul 29, 2015

beckdawg said:
I'm still not 100% convinced that Baez is over his issues. Obviously my thoughts on him are well known but I sort of wonder if he's just figured out AAA similar to Olt and his K issues will come back in the majors. If I'm wrong and he's truly figured it out then great and I'll be happy to be wrong but I'm just not sure how I feel about adding another guy who has a pretty real shot at being a 30% K guy to the lineup given that's largely been an issue.

I don't disagree with that. Soler, Bryant and Russell all have reasonable shots of improving and getting under 25% but there are only so many guys that you can carry in a lineup that strike out that much. If he's moved I'm sure there will be a lot of handwringing but these guys have to be looking for another pitcher. Those are never free.

chibears55 · Jul 29, 2015

TC in Mississippi said:
I don't know. That's a very tough call because you're selling awfully low on Castro but Baez may have figured it out with the change in his approach at the plate. If he has he could be scary.

Look.. if they wanted too they could easily move baez now and castro this off season as they still have Russell to play SS.. and Torres sitting in wing..

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TC in Mississippi · Jul 29, 2015

chibears55 said:
Look.. if they wanted too they could easily move baez now and castro this off season as they still have Russell to play SS.. and Torres sitting in wing..

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Torres is probably 3 years away though, but yes there is some depth and it's not terribly hard to find a middle infielder, especially for 2B.

dreadpirateroberts · Jul 29, 2015

If the Rays want Baez like reported, I would really like if we could get Archer back, but Epstein would have to pull off a miracle for that to happen. Realistically, it would be Odorizzi instead.

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