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He was describing the season as the year it ended, not when it began. Duh


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Typo we already established to you h8ers Bears went 11-5 going 0-4 in preseason.

Y'all over reacting
 

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Typo we already established to you h8ers Bears went 11-5 going 0-4 in preseason.

Y'all over reacting

I couldn't care less about preseason. Right now the offense looks like a trainwreck, hopefully Cutler and his buddy Loggains pull it together.
 

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I couldn't care less about preseason. Right now the offense looks like a trainwreck, hopefully Cutler and his buddy Loggains pull it together.

Probably would help if Jay and Loggains had their starting receivers suit up and practice every day. I'm curious as to how many days Jeffery, White and Royal (assuming he's the "starter) actually suited up and practiced together.
 

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In the regular season I hope we actually run routes that go towards the fucking end zone. I swear all of our WR routes are comebacks or crosses and we never get any YAC except from swing passes to the RB's. With White and Alshon healthy I hope we can run slants or go routes to get big chunks of yardage every now and then. We can't just toss 5 yard passes all day and expect to go down the field in 20 plays. I hope they don't cut off Cutler's deep balls completely in an attempt to limit turnovers.
 

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I'm not going to waste my time with specific thoughts on the game, because it just causes angst with the CCS posters and then I'm lectured by people who say that the preseason is just like the pro bowl.

Everything I said prior to the Chiefs game came to fruition...Fox's OC choice was/is no different than Lovie's OC merry-go-round, with the added caveat that Loggains was "Cutler's guy", much like Jeremy Bates. Bears picked up zero impact players through FA. Lack of talent at the skill positions is a problem. Bears secondary is a mess and should have been addressed during the FA period. But we all can see this with our own eyes, so there is no sense in discussing this.

Here are three thoughts that haven't really been brought up by the media (to my knowledge):

1) Dowell Loggains isn't really the problem. The offense is going to suck this year. Much will be made about the regression of going from Gase at OC to Loggains at OC. I thought a well-connected HC like Fox should have made a stronger hire at the OC position, but regardless the Bears are really lacking talent on offense. The OL is still a disaster. Langford has distinguished himself at RB because the other two RBs are completely unimpressive. TE is not good. Kevin White has mastered the 3-yard catch (perhaps Eddie Royal is mentoring him). Cutler is still around. And the "don't ask, don't tell" aspect is that there is a very high chance that Alshon Jeffery will not be a Bear in 2017.

2) Even the best of the Bears' young players will have 'growing pains'. I think Goldman is nearly a finished product. He is very good. I like what I see in Whitehair and Bullard, but they are going to be 'tricked' by NFL vets their rookie years. Floyd and White will have learning curves despite their physical talent. Basically, other than Goldman, who has a full year of starting under his belt, I see all of the other young players of the Bears as being liabilities in some sense. None of them have surpassing physical ability or a 'maturity greater than their years'.

3) The veterans on the Bears, including the offseason FA signings, just aren't that "good". With so many young players, the Bears need the veterans to make plays. They don't appear to have that ability. Freeman, Trevathan & Hicks all look to be competent NFL starters, which is an improvement, but none of them appear to be 'impact players'. Massie and Larsen are nominal starters. Tracy Porter is surprisingly back. For all the talk about the Bears' revamped defense, I think its a bad sign when Willie Young is still your biggest playmaker.

Prior to the 2015 draft I stated we should trade Jeffery for a high draft pick. About got laughed off the board. Instead we kept him, got an 8 game season, to a 6-10 record in 2015, 2016 we will have a "don't give 2 shits attitude" on a 14.5 mil WR, and in 2017 he will be gone. Brilliant.
 

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In the regular season I hope we actually run routes that go towards the fucking end zone. I swear all of our WR routes are comebacks or crosses and we never get any YAC except from swing passes to the RB's. With White and Alshon healthy I hope we can run slants or go routes to get big chunks of yardage every now and then. We can't just toss 5 yard passes all day and expect to go down the field in 20 plays. I hope they don't cut off Cutler's deep balls completely in an attempt to limit turnovers.

I've been saying this for a long time. When was the last time a receiver was hit in stride running toward their end zone? We seem to catch everything coming back to our qb. do we throw timing routes? Those are what work in third downs and save your qb but either our qb or wideouts aren't trusted in this aspect. Here's to hoping they are hiding their real offense, won't hold my breath
 

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I've been saying this for a long time. When was the last time a receiver was hit in stride running toward their end zone? We seem to catch everything coming back to our qb. do we throw timing routes? Those are what work in third downs and save your qb but either our qb or wideouts aren't trusted in this aspect. Here's to hoping they are hiding their real offense, won't hold my breath

Alshon was hit in stride on Saturday. He might still be running.

He dropped it.
 

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Probably would help if Jay and Loggains had their starting receivers suit up and practice every day. I'm curious as to how many days Jeffery, White and Royal (assuming he's the "starter) actually suited up and practiced together.

It'd help, One could argue that he played better last year with a multitude of starting WRs line-ups.
 

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No.

Can't be fixed. The team lacks talent - talent from a depth standpoint and talent from a difference makers standpoint.

When you look at the best teams in the league, there are always difference makers.

Look as the last two SBs.

Carolina - Cam, Kuechly, Davis. Denver - Manning, Miller, Talib, Ward, Wolfe. Difference makers.

Seattle - Sherman, Wilson, Lynch. NE - Brady, Gronk, Revis. Difference makers.

Teams that always seem to be in the playoff mix - GB (Rodgers, Nelson), Pitt (Big Ben, Pouncey), Denver, NE, Cinci, Arizona, KC. All have difference makers on the roster.

The Bears have none. Nada. Zilch.

Would like to see some emerge, but as of now, none.

It's like the NBA - without a superstar/MVP candidate, you won't win a title. Without difference makers in the NFL, you won't either.

We are looking at a 6 win team. And that's IF they stay healthy!

team has very little football knowledge. they can't read a play before the snap, always a react and tackle, if they can even tackle is marginal. then they have no idea on either side of the ball on how to run routes. Holy fk, in this game a High School team could have beaten the bears. the old let em catch the ball and tackle game is still prominent in Chicago. If the bears knew what the fk the word defend even meant would be helpful. honestly, any fking receiver can run a route and catch a ball against the bears. anyone.

Hey, do they even practice defense? Do the owners tell the defensive coordinators they can't defend? I'm just saying what I see.
 

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It'd help, One could argue that he played better last year with a multitude of starting WRs line-ups.
the only player that had a good day, may have ended his career on a 4th and ten throw. WOW, how fked up is that. The bears are not allowed a good football dude. The heavens took him from us in one play. I was all in on Shaw. All, get rid of Cutler in. Thought I'd tell you that.
 

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I'm gonna let that one sink in for a bit.
 

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I'm gonna let that one sink in for a bit.

instincts, he had instincts, knew how to move, found open fking receivers. Hoyer stunk up another field Saturday. The best play was when he came off the field with his bruised shoulder. How many more fields is he going to stink up before his career is over. MY GAWD he's bad.
 

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I will have a more detailed write up tomorrow.

But this is what a 7-9, 8-8 team looks like. The Bears are incredibly young, they are incredibly light on impact players, and they are light on depth.

Fox and Pace can say they are not rebuilding, but that is what they are doing. As Sparrow said, watch the young guys develop, enjoy having more competent and competitive veterans like Hicks and Trevathan and watch the Bears take another step.

The Emery/Trestman era did way more damage than many of us wanted to admit. Terrible drafts that only ever yielded 1-2 players. Free agents who were signed cheap because they were psychopaths (Marshall and Bennett) or over rated (Houston, Allen).
 

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Prior to the 2015 draft I stated we should trade Jeffery for a high draft pick. About got laughed off the board. Instead we kept him, got an 8 game season, to a 6-10 record in 2015, 2016 we will have a "don't give 2 shits attitude" on a 14.5 mil WR, and in 2017 he will be gone. Brilliant.

Right now this offense is totally shit with Cutler and Jeffrey. Without them they will be marginally shittier. So yeah, I'd trade both Cutler and Jeffrey to the highest bidder.
 

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I will have a more detailed write up tomorrow.

But this is what a 2-14, 4-12 team looks like. The Bears are incredibly young, they are incredibly light on impact players, and they are light on depth.

Fox and Pace can say they are not rebuilding, but that is what they are doing. As Sparrow said, watch the young guys develop, enjoy having more competent and competitive veterans like Hicks and Trevathan and watch the Bears take another step.

The Emery/Trestman era did way more damage than many of us wanted to admit. Terrible drafts that only ever yielded 1-2 players. Free agents who were signed cheap because they were psychopaths (Marshall and Bennett) or over rated (Houston, Allen).


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It didn't seem as if the defense was stacking the box and trying to press/jam the WR's at the line. It was as if we were backing up and letting them pass on us easy. This led to fatigue and extended drives by the chief's offense. I doubt this happens during the season as I believe Fangio was trying to specifically evaluate and challenge his DB's in a specific way.

As for the offense, we really need Z.Miller and a 2nd/3rd receiver to emerge as a serious offensive threat. If Kevin White doesn't perform exponentially better than this preseason we are doomed. I would like to think it is a matter of time, but we can't wait too long. Cutler only has one reliable option in Jeffery and he can't do everything on his own. Our defense will be fine, but won't be able to hold off teams when our offense can't move the ball and keep it in their possession.
 

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