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I believe it was just for week 8. Regardless, calling any player, who can run over 20mph, slow is pretty ridiculous.
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Oh I get the point. Slight subtle sarcasm was my response.
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If I knew then what I know now.....I would still let Forte walk....
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Calling Howard slow is wrong. He just doesn't have the stamina to break 90 yarders. I couldn't care less about that with the way he finishes runs.
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Nov. 9th
Thanks to NFL's Next-Gen Stats, we can provide the answer. According to NFL.com, here are the 10 fastest ballcarriers so far this season:
22.50 mph, Stefon Diggs
22.34 mph, Mike Wallace
22.25 mph, Marquise Goodwin
22.25 mph, Tevin Coleman
22.23 mph, Johnny Holton
22.17 mph, Travis Benjamin
22.03 mph, Jordan Howard
21.97 mph, Isaiah Crowell
21.50 mph, Ezekiel Elliott
21.46 mph, Mike Gillislee
http://www.stack.com/a/which-nfl-pl...-so-far-in-2016-the-answer-might-surprise-you
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Howard is also #2 in the league in yards after contact per rush. No need to question his speed or power.
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On that basis, Josh Bellamy, Eddie Royal and basically any WR is twice as good as either of them on combined touches.
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some fuckass here will squabble over a .47 mph differential and still say he's slow, I'm sure.
how many teams in the league possess these so-called "dual threats" btw?
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That Forte isn't in the class of player Petersen is and he isn't a HOF'er
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I'd put Casares over Forte and Anderson. Tough to make the era difference but when Casares retired I think he was like the 3rd or 4th all time leading rusher in NFL history. He was a tremendous player.
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Nagurksi is always a tough rank because it's difficult to separate what he did as a FB/RB from what he did all around as a player in those days. I could see putting him 2nd as you did ahead of Sayers it's just so difficult to rank that era and keep one position in mind.
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Who gives a shit about his "top end" speed? Obviously he is slow to get to that top end speed. Any jackass watching a game can see it. Are you telling me he's faster than Zeke now? LOLO. The dude is OK. But it's all about burst and he clearly doesn't have that elite burst like a Zeke....
Sheesh.... Enjoy your little next gen stats dorks!
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Back to another point Matt Forte is not a HOF'er(by traditional ballot means). I could see him being a ripe senior committee candidate at some point down the line but comparing him to Petersen is kind of absurd...ok, it's really absurd.
Petersen has been the best back in the NFL since he stepped on the field. He's lead the NFL in rushing, rushing TD's, rushing YPG, total yards from scrimmage, and rushing/receiving TD's.
Forte has never lead the league in any category and while he was a reliable compiler and very good all around back he's just not at that level. We've had this discussion before around here at length and his resume just doesn't hold up to guys like AP.
AP has 97 rushing TD's. Forte has somewhere around 70 total TD's. Petersen is just a more valuable player.
Petersen has been the best back in the NFL since he stepped on the field. He's lead the NFL in rushing, rushing TD's, rushing YPG, total yards from scrimmage, and rushing/receiving TD's.
Forte has never lead the league in any category and while he was a reliable compiler and very good all around back he's just not at that level. We've had this discussion before around here at length and his resume just doesn't hold up to guys like AP.
AP has 97 rushing TD's. Forte has somewhere around 70 total TD's. Petersen is just a more valuable player.
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Having Forte and Howard rotate in our backfield this year might have resulted in a couple extra wins, but it would not have made us a playoff team.
However, if we would have signed him for two years, he could have been the glue to help a rookie or gap type QB next year. I wanted Forte back, and the fact that they did not even leave the door open to possibly match any offer.
Where Bennett and Marshall where supposed to be locker room problems, it was never indicated that Forte was anything other than a team player.
I know hard decision need to be made, but Pace/Fox have sent away the best talent this team has had on the offensive side of the ball in decades. Marshall, Bennett, Forte and Slauson along with the improved talent on the D could have finally come together this year.
Cutler had all of his weapons taken away and was exposed, so even if the Bears wanted him back next year, I'm not sure he would be encouraged to return.
However, if we would have signed him for two years, he could have been the glue to help a rookie or gap type QB next year. I wanted Forte back, and the fact that they did not even leave the door open to possibly match any offer.
Where Bennett and Marshall where supposed to be locker room problems, it was never indicated that Forte was anything other than a team player.
I know hard decision need to be made, but Pace/Fox have sent away the best talent this team has had on the offensive side of the ball in decades. Marshall, Bennett, Forte and Slauson along with the improved talent on the D could have finally come together this year.
Cutler had all of his weapons taken away and was exposed, so even if the Bears wanted him back next year, I'm not sure he would be encouraged to return.
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If Zeke ever learns the patience to let his blocks setup, he could have a long, record breaking HoF career.
Unlike Forte. Best thing Forte did was be graced by being the best receiver on an annually receiver depleted team and keep the scrubs Angelo signed at bay by staying healthy.
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I think a good modern day comparison to Forte is Curtis Martin......he was an iron man in that he didn't miss games very often and he was somewhat of a dual threat. Forte has put more yards in catching passes than running in comparison and that is important......
Running Backs are not lauded in the hall of fame for being a dump off option...they are heralded for running.
Martin, currently, has played two more years than Forte and has nearly twice as many rushing TDs. Averages more than 10 yards more rushing per game.
If Forte had produced more on the ground than in the air you may be able to make a case, but looking at his rushing yards as the main indicator....no.
Also, if Forte was part of some playoff teams and had good performances in the playoffs you could also make the potential case, but nothing there either.....
Forte will have to be in the Hall of the Very Good
Running Backs are not lauded in the hall of fame for being a dump off option...they are heralded for running.
Martin, currently, has played two more years than Forte and has nearly twice as many rushing TDs. Averages more than 10 yards more rushing per game.
If Forte had produced more on the ground than in the air you may be able to make a case, but looking at his rushing yards as the main indicator....no.
Also, if Forte was part of some playoff teams and had good performances in the playoffs you could also make the potential case, but nothing there either.....
Forte will have to be in the Hall of the Very Good
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Forte closing in on 10,000 rushing and 5,000 yards receiving - that's some rare air. Only 11 backs in NFL history have over 5,000 yards receiving. If he were to break the 15,000 total yards mark (which he should next year), he would be one of 20 players to do that. If he were to have 2-3 more years at a reasonably productive pace, he could really establish himself among the most productive players of all time.
16,300 would get him into the Top 10 in yards all time, and that is definitely reachable for him.
16,300 would get him into the Top 10 in yards all time, and that is definitely reachable for him.
