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    Extremely impressive finish for this squad. The major league team played .500 ball against very strong talent since the first week of August.

    A few of the specs (Giolito, Lopez, Fulmer) in the starting rotation for 2018. There was a hit with Rodon, but he should make a full recovery and work his way back into the starting five a soon as opening day.

    Minaya did really well as a replacement closer and with his k average of 10.5 per 9. No reason to think he won't get every opportunity to succeed next year.

    It will be interesting to see what the team does in LF and CF. Internal options consist of Engel, Garcia, Garcia, Hanson, May, Delmonico, Tilson. I have a feeling we are speaking of place holders until one of their minor league outfielders are ready. If you ask Jimenez, that's opening day of next year. I'd not rush him.

    What are you looking forward to for the next year?
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    First it's the young pitching. Giolito, Lopez, Fullmer, Hansen, Kopech, Dunning, Cease and hopefully Burdi... Eloy, Rutherford, Collins, Burger, Sheets and Robert are just some of the position guys that have me excited. Then there are guys like Polo, Basabe and Adolfo too. So much to consider and anticipate...

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    The issue with building via pitching is that you will get some hit and miss years based on injury probabilities. I'd still like for them to get more position players and build the way the Cubs did. You can however trade some of the pitchers for more position players. Or trade guys like Abreu and Garcia, be savvy in international drafts etc....

    I think they can contend in 2019 if they sign a top FA pitcher or two and get those position players taken care of.

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    I think we use this year to see what we have with all this young talent. I don’t want to trade the young guys yet and I don’t want to go after big money fa yet. After this season trades and fa to top the roster off would be ideal. Just stay the course phase 1 has been better then expected imo especially from what we have been used to.

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    I think we use this year to see what we have with all this young talent. I don’t want to trade the young guys yet and I don’t want to go after big money fa yet. After this season trades and fa to top the roster off would be ideal. Just stay the course phase 1 has been better then expected imo especially from what we have been used to.
    That's exactly what they are going to do IMO. They are in the process of employing the method that the Astros use instead of the Cubs. Astros went more balanced while the Cubs went all out hitting.
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    I don't think you can call Astros "balanced approach" a success. The two pitchers they drafted in the first round have been traded or released.

    The areas they had success was in signing pitchers or trading for them and drafting position players.

    Kuechel was a 7th round pick, as the Cubs are doing who draft guys in later rounds who are under slotted.

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    I don't think you can call Astros "balanced approach" a success. The two pitchers they drafted in the first round have been traded or released.

    The areas they had success was in signing pitchers or trading for them and drafting position players.

    Kuechel was a 7th round pick, as the Cubs are doing who draft guys in later rounds who are under slotted.
    McCullers was a first. Again, they are more balanced than the Cubs. And better at development of pitchers than the Cubs. However, the Astros are not perfect and it is unlikely that the Astros team right now will be as good as the White Sox at developing pitchers. Nor will the White Sox be as good as the Cubs or Astros at developing hitters though they are vastly improving in that area.

    Again, the model to follow is the Astros/Dodgers IMO.
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    SO it looks like Girardi is not returning to the Yanks, should we go after him?!

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    No. If we didn't have so many young Latin players maybe, but Renteria is great. Now the Cubs might, but really I see him as a National
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    No. If we didn't have so many young Latin players maybe, but Renteria is great. Now the Cubs might, but really I see him as a National
    time off or nationals is a good guess.

    I think we go with the good Garcia all year, and the other Garcia until you call up Eloy in May/June. Latin players are ready sooner, and its not just experience, its science, in that they mature/develop a few years earlier genetically, as a general trend of hitting your period at what age, etc. Proven. Some of it is genetic, some of it is socioeconomic, as a person in a good situation sometimes incubates longer. If in poverty, or stress, your body tries to trigger development and get out of there.

    He should be ready.

    Can we sign a legit catcher? Or we aren't allowed to sign people in a rebuild? This squad could compete sooner than expected.
    1a. OLB Myles Garrett 1b. FS Malik Hooker 2a. WR Corey Davis 2b. Corner or OT 3a. QB Webb. Kaaya. Russell. Mahomme. somebody will be here at great value. 4a.CB Awuzie Colorado 4b.TE Sprinkles Alabama 4c.RT
    5a.CB Tony Brown Alabama 6' 4.4 speed. Troubled. 5b.Jake Butt TE Michigan. injured

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    No. If we didn't have so many young Latin players maybe, but Renteria is great. Now the Cubs might, but really I see him as a National
    You like our coach?! He's light years ahead of what we have...

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    You like our coach?! He's light years ahead of what we have...
    Yes I love Ricky
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    time off or nationals is a good guess.

    I think we go with the good Garcia all year, and the other Garcia until you call up Eloy in May/June. Latin players are ready sooner, and its not just experience, its science, in that they mature/develop a few years earlier genetically, as a general trend of hitting your period at what age, etc. Proven. Some of it is genetic, some of it is socioeconomic, as a person in a good situation sometimes incubates longer. If in poverty, or stress, your body tries to trigger development and get out of there.

    He should be ready.

    Can we sign a legit catcher? Or we aren't allowed to sign people in a rebuild? This squad could compete sooner than expected.
    Our catchers were fine last year. Just holding until a couple of our kids are ready like Collins and Skoug
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    Our catchers were fine last year. Just holding until a couple of our kids are ready like Collins and Skoug
    the catcher is not fine. the 3B is not fine. the LF is not fine....

    or this team would be good.
    1a. OLB Myles Garrett 1b. FS Malik Hooker 2a. WR Corey Davis 2b. Corner or OT 3a. QB Webb. Kaaya. Russell. Mahomme. somebody will be here at great value. 4a.CB Awuzie Colorado 4b.TE Sprinkles Alabama 4c.RT
    5a.CB Tony Brown Alabama 6' 4.4 speed. Troubled. 5b.Jake Butt TE Michigan. injured

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    the catcher is not fine. the 3B is not fine. the LF is not fine....

    or this team would be good.
    Yes it was, We were just over 700 OPS at the position. It's fine until we get to our kids.

    3b is fine right now with Davidson. He's worth at least one full year if not two until Burger is ready or a possible deal in the 2018 FA Class.
    LF is a place where we aren't fine, but we aren't clueless either. It's Eloy's for at least three years.

    The team is going to be somewhere between 75-82 wins next season. That's fine for where we are in the rebuilding process.
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    You like our coach?! He's light years ahead of what we have...
    Our current coach likes his job and I think did pretty good with what he had to work with last season. Wish we had him during those wasted Ventura years

    Now if we had a team built that Ventura had I might think about making a move but I think we are good to go right now. If we see players not progressing maybe at that point make a move

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