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    Noise. RG3 didn't protect himself, TV was real in 1998. I been very generous with you two, but that's it.

    The guy that doesn't think TV existed in 1998, talk to airtime143 about it, maybe he will have more patience explaining obvious things to you.

    The guy that thinks RG3 did a great job protecting himself and prolonged his career with his level headed decisions, Talk to RG3's HC Mike Shanahan, because I'm pretty sure he knows more about football than either of us. You really should read his quotes (above) and learn things.

    Good luck!
    Because you are full of shit....its why you keep running to the lame ass tv existed crap. Since u are so clear...u have yet to say how many times......also the bs of u evaluating him like you do Trubisky. Ur comical trying to claim that crap.

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    Because you are full of shit....its why you keep running to the lame ass tv existed crap. Since u are so clear...u have yet to say how many times......also the bs of u evaluating him like you do Trubisky. Ur comical trying to claim that crap.
    That's your take away from this exchange?

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    Lmao like u watched him
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    I remember watching Manning as a rookie, some WTF rookie moments and tons of talent.
    You were denying that anyone even watched him, like that that is some kind of a far fetched story. Now you realize how stupid that sounds so it suddenly becomes:

    "the bs of u evaluating him like you do Trubisky. Ur comical trying to claim that crap"

    I never claimed that I evaluated anything, I leave that to the pros. You made that shit up. You made a huge deal out of the fact that it was impossible to watch manning on TV his rookie season, that failed spectacularly. Now you make up the talent evaluation story to cover your ass for being an idiot.

    Nice attempted transition from "TV in 1998, you liars" to "remember that time you said you evaluated Manning?" Never happened, maybe you could team up with the other random guy on RG3.
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    Bottom line is Peyton Manning would be called a bust here by most of the clowns on css..

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    Manning was a real media darling, he was all over everything. Then you had Leaf imploding throwing temper tantrums, yelling at reporters in the locker room, teammates hold him back from killing the media. So of course the media ran with the whole Manning Vs. Leaf controversy which started well before the draft with 'who should go first' and as the season wore on it became 'good Vs. evil' Manning the calm, respectful, bright, good guy and Leaf the rude, unstable, maniac, who's own teammates hated him. That shit was made for TV, the media ate it up.

    Pro tip to all you kids out there, don't try to beat up the media as a rookie, they remember that shit.
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    Every single NFL follower, media member, coach, exec, fan, was wrong, but you are right?

    You know more than RG3's head coach:

    "The Washington Post reports that Redskins coach Mike Shanahan said quarterback Robert Griffin III will have to protect himself better by learning how to slide at the end of a run and throw the ball away to avoid hits"
    https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/r...imself-better/

    "(RG3 needs to) get used to sliding, knowing when to fight for yards, when not to fight for yards," Shanahan said."
    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...et-out-in-2013

    On to the Browns.

    "Robert Griffin III still isn’t protecting himself, eats huge shot vs. Bills"
    https://www.sbnation.com/2016/12/18/...-buffalo-bills

    "Griffin needed to learn how to slide and find other ways to protect himself. But Griffin, both as a third- and fourth-year player, didn’t exhibit an ability to do so."
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...=.b1069dd3bb7a

    That is all you're getting from me, find another football tutor, I quit.
    Dude, the biggest deal was weather his DR should have let him play after his knee injury. Sheesh ...
    The Cubs 'Rocked the World'!

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    Dude, the biggest deal was weather his DR should have let him play after his knee injury. Sheesh ...
    That is the response to a Manning Vs. Leaf post? Sheeeh indeed. Hmmmmmmmmmmm. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahah.
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    Bottom line is Peyton Manning would be called a bust here by most of the clowns on css..

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    Well Jimmy G was throwing to dudes with 5-7 yard cushions all game and failed to get a touchdown. I'm fine with Mitch idk what people are expecting out of him in his rookie year with this shit show of a team.
    See what happens when the old bat Virginia passes or is too out of it to know better, and the McKasket boys are able to bring back the Honeybear cheerleaders.

    Mitchell be kissin' titties pregame and ballin' out at a new level.


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    That's your take away from this exchange?





    You were denying that anyone even watched him, like that that is some kind of a far fetched story. Now you realize how stupid that sounds so it suddenly becomes:

    "the bs of u evaluating him like you do Trubisky. Ur comical trying to claim that crap"

    I never claimed that I evaluated anything, I leave that to the pros. You made that shit up. You made a huge deal out of the fact that it was impossible to watch manning on TV his rookie season, that failed spectacularly. Now you make up the talent evaluation story to cover your ass for being an idiot.

    Nice attempted transition from "TV in 1998, you liars" to "remember that time you said you evaluated Manning?" Never happened, maybe you could team up with the other random guy on RG3.
    Lmao last time I checked, you decided to chime in when I was talking to Spartan..right or wrong? In that context you are claiming u observed his strengths and weaknesses..evaluate. So did u watch him or DID YOU WATCH HIM? Like I said you guys sit here and evaluate Tribs, yet I bring up PM in a earlier thread and the GMs were out in full.....now another poster did and Spartan was able to say....

    Really, you saw it in year 1 with Peyton. He could move the ball at will and you could assume he'd get those Ints way down after a year of experience. With Trubisky, we just see the Bears offense is, by far, the worst in the league.

    Yeah ok....like I said when you watched PM, you saw him on TV...you didn't look at his foot work, anticipation, pocket pres and abilitu to read defenses.

    Now go back and tell us how RG3 looked for contact instead of thinking he could out run everyone and not knowing how to slide

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    This is just fun now.

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    Lmao last time I checked, you decided to chime in when I was talking to Spartan..right or wrong?
    100% correct.

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    In that context you are claiming u observed his strengths and weaknesses..evaluate.
    I did provide this in depth evaluation.

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    I remember watching Manning as a rookie, some WTF rookie moments and tons of talent.
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    So did u watch him or DID YOU WATCH HIM?
    For the tenth and I hope final time, yes, I did watch Peyton Manning play in his rookie season on TV. Because TV existed in 1998.

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    Like I said you guys sit here and evaluate Tribs, yet I bring up PM in a earlier thread and the GMs were out in full.....now another poster did and Spartan was able to say....
    You lost me.

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    Yeah ok....like I said when you watched PM, you saw him on TV...you didn't look at his foot work, anticipation, pocket pres and abilitu to read defenses.
    Hey, that's terrific!

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    Now go back and tell us how RG3 looked for contact instead of thinking he could out run everyone and not knowing how to slide
    That wasn't me, that was his head coach and every other person that followed the NFL, I just happen to agree with them. You should read the quotes (the link below), it was unanimous, and a big story at the time. I understand it all happened before some of you started following the NFL, that's not your fault.

    http://www.chicitysports.com/forum/s...=1#post2913390
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    Bottom line is Peyton Manning would be called a bust here by most of the clowns on css..

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    Lmao last time I checked, you decided to chime in when I was talking to Spartan..right or wrong? In that context you are claiming u observed his strengths and weaknesses..evaluate. So did u watch him or DID YOU WATCH HIM? Like I said you guys sit here and evaluate Tribs, yet I bring up PM in a earlier thread and the GMs were out in full.....now another poster did and Spartan was able to say....

    Really, you saw it in year 1 with Peyton. He could move the ball at will and you could assume he'd get those Ints way down after a year of experience. With Trubisky, we just see the Bears offense is, by far, the worst in the league.

    Yeah ok....like I said when you watched PM, you saw him on TV...you didn't look at his foot work, anticipation, pocket pres and abilitu to read defenses.

    Now go back and tell us how RG3 looked for contact instead of thinking he could out run everyone and not knowing how to slide
    I am at a loss as to why you're being so stupid about this. You act like the NFL wasn't big on TV in '98 when they've been making billions from tv for several decades. DirecTV Sunday Ticket has been around for over 20 years you know? As for me, I live in NY so if I could manage to see mostly all of Bears games back then, I certainly didn't need to struggle to see games with the top draft pick.

    Then when others mention watching weekly highlights, you act like the highlights didn't show anything but their very best plays and stick up a youtube video of Ryan Leaf's highlights as if to say that's what you'd see about him on one of these highlights shows on ESPN or a number of others? WTF? If anything I remember highlights shows back then including more highlights on each game. If watching them on ESPN or something else like Inside the NFL, you got extensive highlights. Basically, you'd see everything you see on RedZone now, the good, the bad, all scoring drives and key plays.

    Then, once your ignorance is proven, and it's shown it was not nearly as difficult to see as you tried to make it out, you switch it up to "you saw him on TV...you didn't look at his foot work, anticipation, pocket pres and ability to read defenses. ". WTF? I think it would be a real good time for you to abort this crazy argument.

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    I am at a loss as to why you're being so stupid about this. You act like the NFL wasn't big on TV in '98 when they've been making billions from tv for several decades. DirecTV Sunday Ticket has been around for over 20 years you know? As for me, I live in NY so if I could manage to see mostly all of Bears games back then, I certainly didn't need to struggle to see games with the top draft pick.

    Then when others mention watching weekly highlights, you act like the highlights didn't show anything but their very best plays and stick up a youtube video of Ryan Leaf's highlights as if to say that's what you'd see about him on one of these highlights shows on ESPN or a number of others? WTF? If anything I remember highlights shows back then including more highlights on each game. If watching them on ESPN or something else like Inside the NFL, you got extensive highlights. Basically, you'd see everything you see on RedZone now, the good, the bad, all scoring drives and key plays.

    Then, once your ignorance is proven, and it's shown it was not nearly as difficult to see as you tried to make it out, you switch it up to "you saw him on TV...you didn't look at his foot work, anticipation, pocket pres and ability to read defenses. ". WTF? I think it would be a real good time for you to abort this crazy argument.
    Yawn you didnt watch Peyton Manning ala evaluating his play...yet when the poster showed his numbers, you act like u were evaluating him....maybe u should quit trying to act like you were in 1998

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    Yawn you didnt watch Peyton Manning ala evaluating his play...yet when the poster showed his numbers, you act like u were evaluating him....maybe u should quit trying to act like you were in 1998
    You are bat shit crazy. WTF are you even talking about? I said he moved the offense at will. Not exactly meant to be technical evaluation as much as an observation. Observing is all fans do as watching football is for entertainment value. You seem to just be desperately searching for a way out since you've been back peddling ever since first implying it was so hard to see football games back in the dark age of 1998.

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    You are bat shit crazy. WTF are you even talking about? I said he moved the offense at will. Not exactly meant to be technical evaluation as much as an observation. Observing is all fans do as watching football is for entertainment value. You seem to just be desperately searching for a way out since you've been back peddling ever since first implying it was so hard to see football games back in the dark age of 1998.
    Lmao..says the jackass discounting a numbers comparison a poster put up that shows similar production to rookie PM.

    First when they were posted you basically acted like he couldnt compare them because you watched Manning and he moved the ball at will and u could assume that his ints would be corrected....umm sounds like a mfer sitting there who saw all his ints and said well if he did this or if WR did that he would complete those. League high ints and u came to that conclusion.

    Second they showed football in 1998? Weird I was wondering how I saw Payton back in 1978 and it made me like the Bears.

    If u watched the Bears in 1998..that would have given you 10 opportunities to watch him...so I'll assume you watched....I mean seen him all 10.

    Third maybe he moved the ball at will because he had Faulk and Harrison...u know HOF players on offense. Also a staff that let him throw a league high amount of passes so he could make mistakes and learn on the fly?

    Fourth this thread started comparing a guy with 3.5 years of NFL exp...which apparantly means nothing and people talking about Mitch like he should be a seasoned vet after 8 games.

    By year 3, we will know if he is worth a damn......moving the ball at will as you called it...resulted in similar statistics....nice call.

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    the comparison to Peyton Manning is kind of an interesting one..

    His first 8 games where..
    161 of 292 for 1873yds 55% 6.41ypa 11TD and 16 INT 64.48 rate

    not the best stats in the world there.. now hypothetically if the Colts had Fox and he didn't let Manning throw as much and limited his attempts like he does with Trubisky his stats would be..

    PM - 107 of 193 for 1237 yards 55% 6.41ypa 7TD and 11INT 63.33rate
    MT - 106 of 193 for 1237 yards 54.9% 6.4ypa 5TD and 4 INT 74.6rate

    Its crazy how similar the first 8 games production is..

    Bottom line is MT needs to be able to throw the ball more and learn.. let him make his rookie mistakes like Manning did and learn from it..

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    Lmao..says the jackass discounting a numbers comparison a poster put up that shows similar production to rookie PM.

    First when they were posted you basically acted like he couldnt compare them because you watched Manning and he moved the ball at will and u could assume that his ints would be corrected....umm sounds like a mfer sitting there who saw all his ints and said well if he did this or if WR did that he would complete those. League high ints and u came to that conclusion.

    Second they showed football in 1998? Weird I was wondering how I saw Payton back in 1978 and it made me like the Bears.

    If u watched the Bears in 1998..that would have given you 10 opportunities to watch him...so I'll assume you watched....I mean seen him all 10.

    Third maybe he moved the ball at will because he had Faulk and Harrison...u know HOF players on offense. Also a staff that let him throw a league high amount of passes so he could make mistakes and learn on the fly?

    Fourth this thread started comparing a guy with 3.5 years of NFL exp...which apparantly means nothing and people talking about Mitch like he should be a seasoned vet after 8 games.

    By year 3, we will know if he is worth a damn......moving the ball at will as you called it...resulted in similar statistics....nice call.
    If you think MT’s numbers are like PM’s numbers, then I’m going to have to demand you tell us what powerful drugs you are on.

    3.5 years experience as you call it really isn’t experience. Maybe more preparation than experience. Real experience only comes from actual playing time in real games.


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    If you think MT’s numbers are like PM’s numbers, then I’m going to have to demand you tell us what powerful drugs you are on.

    3.5 years experience as you call it really isn’t experience. Maybe more preparation than experience. Real experience only comes from actual playing time in real games.


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    Ummm drug test....I think u need one pretty bad. Any moron thinking 3.5 years of NFL exp isnt really exp, tells me u don't know shit about NFL football. What's worse is I already posted Rodgers and Rivers talking about it helping them....you know guys playing in the league.

    Also a poster showed numbers and them being similar...ala attempts.....another poster above showed it again. I posted in another thread when Mitch had 178 throws to Mannings....very similar. You should stop while ahead.....ur looking pretty sad trying to defend ur garbage.

    When I posted attempts after eagles..yeah not similar...wow

    Here since everyone knew after Mannings first 185 throws he would be one of, if not the best QB to play the game..lol yeah ok

    Peyton

    185 att, 1227 yards, 5tds, 11 ints...with Faulk and Harrison

    Tribs

    178 atts, 1135 yards, 4 tds, 4 ints, ...umm, Howard and practice squad bums who get pointed out by announcers that they cant get any seperation.
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    Ummm drug test....I think u need one pretty bad. Any moron thinking 3.5 years of NFL exp isnt really exp, tells me u don't know shit about NFL football. What's worse is I already posted Rodgers and Rivers talking about it helping them....you know guys playing in the league.

    Also a poster showed numbers and them being similar...ala attempts.....another poster above showed it again. I posted in another thread when Mitch had 178 throws to Mannings....very similar. You should stop while ahead.....ur looking pretty sad trying to defend ur garbage.

    When I posted attempts after eagles..yeah not similar...wow

    Here since everyone knew after Mannings first 185 throws he would be one of, if not the best QB to play the game..lol yeah ok

    Peyton

    185 att, 1227 yards, 5tds, 11 ints...with Faulk and Harrison

    Tribs

    178 atts, 1135 yards, 4 tds, 4 ints, ...umm, Howard and practice squad bums who get pointed out by announcers that they cant get any seperation.
    Still going on about this. Yeah both looked like rookies at times, one showed more potential for big plays.

    PM 1.625 TD per game
    MT 0.625 TD per game

    I hope in the last 4 games they let Mitch cut loose and make some plays, at least give him the chance to show more potential.

    I'm glad to see you gave up on the whole 'no TV in 1998', that argument was never going to work.
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    Bottom line is Peyton Manning would be called a bust here by most of the clowns on css..

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    Still going on about this. Yeah both looked like rookies at times, one showed more potential for big plays.

    PM 1.625 TD per game
    MT 0.625 TD per game

    I hope in the last 4 games they let Mitch cut loose and make some plays, at least give him the chance to show more potential.

    I'm glad to see you gave up on the whole 'no TV in 1998', that argument was never going to work.
    I agree PM was a more polished passer....but one also had Faulk and Harrison. Mitch has practice squad bums at wide out. Harrison 64 catches as rookie....Faulk 86 catches for 908 yards......thats huge. Mitch doesnt have that(and in no way am I saying he will be PM).

    Also my fault about not making it clear about watching him in 1998. I meant in the sense of scrutinizing his play. We do that now because we watch the game differently.

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    Still going on about this. Yeah both looked like rookies at times, one showed more potential for big plays.

    PM 1.625 TD per game
    MT 0.625 TD per game

    I hope in the last 4 games they let Mitch cut loose and make some plays, at least give him the chance to show more potential.

    I'm glad to see you gave up on the whole 'no TV in 1998', that argument was never going to work.
    yep until you look at TD per pass attempt then its not so far apart..

    looking at PM first 210 pass attempts vs MT 193 attempts you have..

    PM .028 TD per pass attempt (6TD)
    MT .026 TD per pass attempt (5TD)

    Pretty close..

    But looking at INT

    PM .06 int per attempt (14 INT)
    MT .02 int per attempt (4 int)

    Not even close here..


    Bottom line is Peyton Manning would be called a bust here by most of the clowns on css..

    MT needs time

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    yep until you look at TD per pass attempt then its not so far apart..

    looking at PM first 210 pass attempts vs MT 193 attempts you have..

    PM .028 TD per pass attempt (6TD)
    MT .026 TD per pass attempt (5TD)

    Pretty close..

    But looking at INT

    PM .06 int per attempt (14 INT)
    MT .02 int per attempt (4 int)

    Not even close here..


    Bottom line is Peyton Manning would be called a bust here by most of the clowns on css..

    MT needs time
    As far as I can tell one guy one time brought up the possibility of MT being a bust so far. The clown narrative that CCS posters are calling him a bust is false, CCS clowns are rooting against him, that is 100% not true.

    There are plenty of real things to discuss without the clowns making up fictional controversies. Most of the clowns on CCS are seeing people attacking our dear sweet Mitchell, that is not actually happening, it's all in their clown heads.
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    Bottom line is Peyton Manning would be called a bust here by most of the clowns on css..

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    As far as I can tell one guy one time brought up the possibility of MT being a bust so far. The clown narrative that CCS posters are calling him a bust is false, CCS clowns are rooting against him, that is 100% not true.

    There are plenty of real things to discuss without the clowns making up fictional controversies. Most of the clowns on CCS are seeing people attacking our dear sweet Mitchell, that is not actually happening, it's all in their clown heads.
    if MT has 14 INT right now (like Manning had at about the same attempts) you know you and many other clowns would be calling him a bust..

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    if MT has 14 INT right now (like Manning had at about the same attempts) you know you and many other clowns would be calling him a bust..
    No. 26/28 TD/Int, No.

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    Bottom line is Peyton Manning would be called a bust here by most of the clowns on css..

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    No. 26/28 TD/Int, No.

    did I talk about a full season? or ~200ish pass attempts? if MT was 6TD and 14INT right now you clowns would be calling for his head.. How many INT did the giraffe have before people called for his benching?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbldrew View Post
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    did I talk about a full season? or ~200ish pass attempts? if MT was 6TD and 14INT right now you clowns would be calling for his head.. How many INT did the giraffe have before people called for his benching?
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    Bottom line is Peyton Manning would be called a bust here by most of the clowns on css..

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