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Walton calling Barkley a "dominant defensive player" tells me all I need to know about Waltons view on Barkley.
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The Knicks are the model for how to operate a franchise, a Bulls squad w/ Brand, Chandler & Artest could beat the '04 Pistons, if you get rid of any of your free agents it means you aren't a commited owner, Curry was on the verge of becoming Shaq when signed by the Knicks, Barkley was always fat & out of shape, & it's the fans fault that the GM's don't spend their $$ wisely.
Just a few of the fun "facts" I've learned from this thread.
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Just stop man. It's painfully obvious to everyone on here that you have no clue what you are talking about.
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true value =/= market value
Market values are inflated due to the simple rules of supply and demand, where teams have position demands, but not the supply of qualified players on the market to pay them accurately.
True value is rated on subjective performance:time. Subjective, because one team may want a fan favorite to fill seats and get higher TV ratings ect ect, and another team way want someone who can diversify the market by bringing a broader appeal(signing an international player from a big market, ect ect again.) And then you have teams who have the strategy to find voids in performance, and sign fillers, ect ect ect ect. But true value is relative to the team, not to the league, and true value is far more effective at determining how a team should "overpay" for specific talent, and not just because EA sports/2K sports rates them a 90, and our current option as an 88, or because one made the all-star team or is in the league leaders of some stat category.
Market value is a VERY limited indicator of who is overpaid. If you base overpaid players off market value, then your whole knowledge of business economics should be tossed into the trash, along with the teachers who failed to explain the bigger part of the equation(or maybe you just failed to learn).
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I beg to differ. Without getting into a long drawn out debate on economics. Players base their worth on the contracts of players they feel on their level. Then negotiate based off that. And when they dont or cant find a team willing to pay, they claim colusion and sue the league. It has happened before.
You my friend obviously dont know ecomincs because thats generally how all facets of negotiations start. What is the biggest factor in determining the mrket value of a home? The neigborhood.
Ive more than proven Deng and Noahs worth. Based off comparable Players contracts.
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You think true value = market value?
How am I not surprised????? Now you're just arguing, for the sake of arguing.
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I cant be any more clear. A players market value is set based on the value of their peers. All that other stuff is inconsequential.
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That's only a small portion of market value. But true value =/=(does not equal, in case you have never seen this before) market value. It's not even debatable, which is what makes your persistent responses funny and annoying. Like I said, you're responding just for the sake of arguing.
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has he said that?
if so, then the bolded is very important
the bulls can't outright sign him because they are over the cap, they would have to do a sign and trade...
there is no opportunity at this time because there are no reciprocal talks...
bynum has a pretty crappy attitude and is always hurt...if he has a good season next year, then MAYBE you consider a sign and trade, but even then you need clearance on the 76ers side
the bulls were a top 5 team in the NBA until rose went down...the bulls aren't average..the problem is that they have a declining boozer, a shitload of money committed, and they aren't built well for the playoffs
the bulls are over the cap, the only way they can make any big moves is if they make a sign and trade...
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I still think youre missing my point. Think about this.
The Bulls are the most profitable team in the NBA.
The Bulls are always top three in attendance every year.
The Bulls are the third biggest market in the NBA.
The Bulls have the fourth highest ticket price on avg in the league.
This is all due to loyal support of us. Their fans.
How have we been rewrded?
A barely 500 record since 98
Constantly losing out on big name FAs
Never going over the luxery tax threshold.
Forcing their fans to have to endure three rebuilds.
Im sorry. I just feel we deserve better. The Bulls front office and ownership has not recipricated the support theyve had.
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We were supposed to be rewarded by paying Tyrus Thomas and Ben Gordon like the Bobcats are doing :dunno:
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:lmao: bynum isn't injury prone? GTFO out of here
then who is? he's had multiple injuries in the same fucking area
1. pretty sure he's had 3 knee injuries, at least
2. i dont see how rolling on his knee changes anything...if it happens twice, are those both just unfortunate coincidences, or indicative of the fact that bynum's knees have resistance problems?
maybe..i could see the thunder possibly having interest in noah
soft cap means there are exceptions...bynum does not constitute any of the exceptions..they can't max any big moves,technically, from other teams unless they do sign and trades
they can go well over the cap, but that's missing the point
i understand your point, but you're just bitching to bitch, at this point
every team loses out on big name FAs, even big market teams
luxury, not luxery lol
the luxury tax has been around since 03
and the bulls have a problem with throwing around contracts as is....
it takes two sides to make a deal
so,basically, more inane statements?
did you want the bulls to keep brand,artest, and company?
how would that work out now? would this team have a young player to build around like rose?
do you think an early 2000s team like that would actually win a title?
what did you want the bulls to actually do?
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Theyre a big market team making big market profits but the franchise is run like a mid market franchise. Thats my problem. Im not saying Brand, Artest an co wouulve won on their own. If you read my whole post I also included a top notch SG.
Theyre always a player or two away. They just do have the balls to make things happen.
I want them to act like a big market and put a legit winner on the floor. Not pinch pennies.
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What "top tier" SG was available at the price the Bulls could afford?
This isn't baseball where teams can spend at no limit.
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So finishing with the best record twice in a row means nothing? ECF appearance on a young team? IDK why you bring New York into this as a team that you want us to emulate, then we wouldn't have what we do have, but you would be happy, because we would have a top 3 payroll every season.
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Thats a great accomplishment. I would like to see them keep the momntum going. Granted Rose is injured. But this team has proven they can hold it down for a while without Rose. But I feel like were taking a step back. And understand, Im not bringing up just New York into this a team to emulate. I also mentioned the Lakers, and Heat, and the Celtics. Throw Dallas into the mix as well.
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